• Mandy@sh.itjust.works
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    5 days ago

    Awman, I didn’t think matrix 2 and 3 where that bad.
    I remember enjoying them.

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      5 days ago

      They made viewers work to understand. Viewers largely rejected that.

      Which has led us, irrevocably, to spoon fed trash that plays to the dumbest person in the audience.

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        5 days ago

        I enjoyed all three movies, but there was a lot that I didn’t get until I watched an explainer on YouTube.

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        4 days ago

        I disagree, the more texture the ‘real’ world gets the less portent the message. Same with John wick, one they start making it into a movie about the honor system in this world wide assassin network it loses its urgency.

        The power of both is the mystique of the superimposed world, you don’t understand it, but it lends an excellent backdrop to the movie, that is really about something much smaller, self realization and vengeance.

        Once the first movie concludes, the narrative cycle is basically over and a new, more convoluted, plot line gets drawn up that doesn’t feel as important as before.

        The mystique gets filled in with additional detail, which rubs the wrong way with the metaphor, as a new rule system gets put in place in order for the protagonist to re-live the exact story arc of struggle and eventual victory as in the first movie.

        Yet with every iteration it feels more hollow, the emotional pay off subsides. There is no resolution as three needs always be narrative room for the next sequel. It leaves you emotionally drawn out and no expertly choreographed fight scene can fill that hole.

        As it wasn’t about the fight scenes, it’s storytelling.

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      5 days ago

      Don’t understand why people dislike those movies so much. Even enjoyed the 4th one.

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        They didn’t deliver on the promises that Neo made at the end of the first movie. They’re quite different than the first film. The 4th one was an obvious cash grab by the studios. The Wachowskis didn’t want to make the movie, and they straight-up tell the audience in the movie that they were forced to do it, or let someone else do it.

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          The fourth was sort of hilarious on that point. HERE’S YOUR STUPID MOVIE! I’d have been pissed if I was expecting something different, but I laughed my ass off.

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            I wasn’t expecting much of anything with the movie. I only watched it because it was free, and I was curious. The messaging about cash grabs, licensing, and lack of style were my favorite parts of the movie. It’s just a shame that it exists and somewhat tarnishes the rest of the movies.

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              Yeah, but you did get to see an angry director have some corporate movie executives write her a check to tell them to fuck themselves in a pretty definitive manner.

              That made me kind of happy, it was a relentless torrent of hate, but it seemed like it was aimed in the right direction.

      • Mandy@sh.itjust.works
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        5 days ago

        well, on that one, i personally flat out noped out when they had that rotund dude thirst over trinity