It’s all made from our data, anyway, so it should be ours to use as we want

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    3 months ago

    There’s no need to “make it legal”, things are legal by default until a law is passed to make them illegal. Or a court precedent is set that establishes that an existing law applies to the new thing under discussion.

    Training an AI doesn’t involve copying the training data, the AI model doesn’t literally “contain” the stuff it’s trained on. So it’s not likely that existing copyright law makes it illegal to do without permission.

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      3 months ago

      By this logic, you can copy a copyrighted imege as long as you decrease the resolution, because the new image does not contain all the information in the original one.

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        3 months ago

        Am I allowed to take a copyrighted image, decrease its size to 1x1 pixels and publish it? What about 2x2?

        It’s very much not clear when a modification violates copyright because copyright is extremely vague to begin with.

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          3 months ago

          Just because something is defined legally instead of technologically, that doesn’t make it vague. The modification violates copyright when the result is a derivative work; no more, no less.

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            3 months ago

            What is a derivative work though? That’s again extremely vague and has been subject to countless lawsuits seeking to determine the bounds.

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        3 months ago

        More like reduce it to a handful of vectors that get merged with other vectors.

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        3 months ago

        In the case of Stable Diffusion, they used 5 billion images to train a model 1.83 gigabytes in size. So if you reduce a copyrighted image to 3 bits (not bytes - bits), then yeah, I think you’re probably pretty safe.

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          3 months ago

          Your calculation is assuming that the input images are statistically independent, which is certainly not the case (otherwise the model would be useless for generating new images)

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            Of course it’s silly. Of course the images are not statistically independent, that’s the point. There are still people to this day who claim that stable diffusion and its ilk are producing “collages” of their training images, please tell this to them.

            The way that these models work is by learning patterns from their training material. They learn styles, shapes, meanings. None of those things are covered by copyright.

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      3 months ago

      There’s no need to “make it legal”, things are legal by default until a law is passed to make them illegal.

      Yes, and that’s already happened: it’s called “copyright law.” You can’t mix things with incompatible licenses into a derivative work and pretend it’s okay.