Should preemptively pardon luigi
Biden is a corporatist, he is literally not on our side with that one.
I know, I Said should not would. Who knows the person puppeting him weekend at Bernie’s style might?
Look I need something to hope for lmao.
Morally it’s the right thing to do in my eyes. It’s also surprising how the pro life and pro death penalty people are the same people usually.
It’s only surprising if you know nothing about the group beyond the inaccurate name they use to identify themselves
Pro life only lasts until you’re born. After that it’s pro death.
There’s a very bad joke o remember hearing a long time ago. It’s something along the lines of: “I’m in favor of killing babies, but I don’t like to give women a choice.” Most pro-life people actually are that, except they extended “baby” way before birth in a stupid way. They’re fine with killing actually post-birth babies though.
I actually have a friend who’s quite… strange. He’s pretty right wing, very into certain conspiracy theories, pro musk, etc, yet one of the nicest guys you’ll meet and certainly the guy you’d be calling to bail you out of jail in a pinch. Anyways, he actually opposes the death penalty exactly because he’s pro life. Said he couldn’t reconcile both of those stances.
That’s good! That means he’s at least a reasonable person. He can think for himself and can consider if ideas are idiologically consistent. I hope that eventually translates to him having empathy with people and then noticing how conservative politics fucks people over just for the sake of having an enemy though.
He didn’t commute the one Boston bomber, Dylan Roof, and the Tree of Life shooter. Which is good. I don’t agree with the death penalty but you can’t really pardon people like that.
It’s not a pardon. They would still be subject to the harshest punishment possible in civilized countries, and would never again be a threat to anyone.
And the confusion here is exactly why it would have been a PR nightmare. The average American is really stupid.
Most civilized countries have abolished the death penalty
Thank you for clarifying my point.
Well I more just mean HE couldn’t because probably that would be unpopular with the groups who were targeted by them.
I think you can, especially when the sentence is still life in prison. Remember that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, so they would not ever be paroled.
These weren’t pardons, but commuted sentences. I don’t know what the stipulations surrounding that are
accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt
This was true, but that no longer applies. (at least at the federal level; I have no clue how state courts have ruled on this.)
Well I have to admit I agree with the court there. A pardon should not be an admission of guilt. So even though that changes what I said, I have to concur with them. Thank you for letting me know.
It’s also surprising how the pro life and pro death penalty people are the same people usually.
It shouldn’t be. There is actually no contradiction or mutual exclusivity between the two; it only seems that way because of how the former viewpoint is labeled (it was definitely a PR move to call it “pro life” instead of “anti abortion”, which is a more accurate description of the stance).
Pro lifers believe the unborn are morally equivalent to the newly born, and therefore believe killing/destroying (depending on your perspective) the unborn is equivalent to murder (defined as ‘undeserved killing/execution’), since the unborn is innocent by definition. And because they, like everyone else, believe murder is immoral, they also believe abortion is immoral.
This does not conflict at all with being in favor of the death penalty for someone guilty of a major crime against humanity, because such a person is not innocent, unlike the unborn child.
In fact, on another axis, these two stances are actually in perfect alignment (except in cases of rape, etc. which I believe is why many pro lifers do in fact make exceptions for those cases, being okay with abortion then), in that they both come from the mindset of ‘you must take responsibility and be held accountable for your actions’.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
Don’t worry Trump has a plan for Dylan Roof and Robert Bowers that doesn’t involve them getting executed.
Of course, Trump will have millions of death row sentences to hand down once they find out how expensive those concentration camps are and how long it will take to get countries to be willing to take all of those millions of people back and decides to come up with a Final Solution.
We already have a well-developed forced labor prison infrastructure, and there will be plenty of farm work to do. The camps will pay for themselves, and enrich big corporations in the process.
Yep, lots of people are going to make lots of money off of this. Just not the brown people working in the fields. I guess this is what the GOP means when talk about the good old days.
Isn’t the expense of the camps part of the intent?
I’m pretty sure the intent is genocidal fascism.
Why not both?
They won’t do shit, taking away the strawberry pickers and pool boys isn’t on the agenda. They’ll spend money on border patrols, ship off some brown people that are easy to catch, trumpet about it in the news and go back to making money off their backs. It was all a dog and pony show.
Can I borrow your crystal ball to look up next week’s lotto numbers?
Also, I would really love to listen in on your secret microphones at Mar-a-Lago.
(When someone tells you they’re going to commit genocide, maybe the best thing to do is err on the side of caution and believe it.)
Check back in a year from now and tell me how I’m wrong instead of being a prick right now.
I’ll just tell you right now, no need to wait.
You are a naive fool
Or we could all err on the side of caution, as I said, rather than just assume it won’t happen. I’m not sure why you think assuming it won’t happen and continuing on as if genocide in America isn’t possible when we’ve already done it multiple times is the best course of action.
And Super Brother of Mario?
Gotta have a sentence before a commutation or pardon, I believe.
No you don’t. Carter issued a [blanked pardon for all draft dodgers from the Vietnam war](https://www.justice.gov/pardon/proclamation-4483-granting-pardon-violations-selective-service-act). No prior charges or convictions needed.
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Nixon didn’t before his pardon, but I suspect it would be necessary for a commutation.
No, Biden just fucking sucks.
Finally
We need to quit wasting time and resources on these type of shooters and bad people get them gone and let’s grow better as a civilization.
Those resources could be utilized in a more appropriate fashion such as wrongful conviction cases or anything to help better humanity in any way rather than 70k a year to keep each inmate and its not the monetary value its the goods and services value. Resource cost.
I guess I am pro death penalty.
That’s basically what Biden is doing here. In the US executing someone is magnitudes more expensive than life in prison. Depending on the state it can be anywhere from 2 to 10 times more expensive than life in prison.
And that’s before you factor in that something like half (or more) of the people who are executed are later found to be innocent of the crime.
This alone is reason enough imo
Agreed
We need to quit wasting time and resources on these type of shooters and bad people get them gone and let’s grow better as a civilization.
While I understand your position, I disagree. Instead of death, if we do our best to learn about these people and prevent further destruction we’ll all be better off (if that means life imprisonment, then so be it). I’m sure there are plenty of criminologists willing to curate that knowledge.
If we learn more about them, then we gain the tools to grow better as a civilisation as you put it.
If we had a perfectly equal system, I would be in favor of the death penalty but we don’t. That means we are executing a wildly disproportionate amount of poor black men. I can’t support such a system.
