liberals are against every genocide except the current one
damn bro, that’s bathroom-stall-at-hot-topic level profound.
What kind of a shitty opinion is this? Which liberals are you referring to?
most of them at the mere mention of the genocide back in the us election season
Genocide is bad no matter who it happens to??
Genocide is bad no matter who does it??
Genocide is bad, full stop.
Obligatory reminder that when Polish envoy Jan Karski presented evidence of holocaust to British and US government and societal elites during his mission in 1942 and 1943 he was basically ignored.
Additional reminder that Hitler’s invasion of Europe was tolerated by the major powers riiiiight up until he invaded one of the “countries that actually matter”.
Additional additional reminder that the major powers initially PRAISED Hitler for killing all the communists.
additional reminder that when the allies liberated the concentration camps, they put everyone with a pink triangle back.
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But the meme is about the comparison of the same people looking back and looking at the present.
And it’s a weird choice too because there are better comparisons that can be made with current world events.
Let’s not pretend that the Nazis didn’t have a massive amount of support (and still does). Reminder that the vast majority of Germans at the time were in full support of the Holocaust in the same way that the vast majority of Israelis are in full support of the genocide in Palestine. Badmouthing the Holocaust in any of the Axis Powers countries would have been met with the same kind of backlash, and people in the Anglosphere just don’t want to admit that the societies we live in are the new Axis Powers and do in fact want the Palestinians exterminated the same way that Nazi Germany wanted the Jews exterminated.
The vast majority of Germans did not know about the death camps. They were under the impression that the Jews were held in labour and prison camps and only learned about the genocide towards the end of the war, around 1943.
My (great)grandparents were in the Dutch resistance and saved many people, including Jews. They thought they were saving them from labour and prison camps.
They also only learned about the death camps towards the end of the war when news of it started leaking out. This made them even more resolved to save whom they could, which was hard in the Dutch famine in the 1944/1945 winter. They gave away a lot of food that winter.
Neither they, nor the Germans, could do much more than that. Trying to protest the Holocaust would lead to immediate arrest by the Nazi’s.
Also, even the Nazi’s didn’t know about the Holocaust until the 1942 Wannsee conference where they invented it as “the final solution”. By that time the war had entered its third year.
My point is, unlike the Israelis today, the German public as whole at that time can only be accused of being complicit in genocide, during a period where they themselves were under martial law. They can not be accused of supporting genocide while still enjoying civil rights.
Which is why I have more disdain for the Israelis today.
The Neoliberals supporting the white colonist state very overtly because of the ethnicity of the people that state claims to represent, have always been as Racist as the Fascists, they just passed themselves as anti-Racist by focusing on telling us that whole races are inherently better and deserving of better treatment than other races, whilst the Fascists tend to focus on telling us bad things about races (though, if you pay attention, the Fascists too claim that those of certain races are inherently better and deserving of better treatment).
The Racism isn’t the telling bad things about a race, it’s the assumption that all people of a race are the same, equally worthy or unworthy and deserving of different treatment for no reason other than the race they were born in - it’s a form of dehumanization of individuals which, if you look more broadly at the suffering the Neoliberals are willing to inflict on billions of people in the Economic field in order to profit from it, is really just one facet of their general Sociopath posture towards the rest of Humanity, complete with deceit, manipulation and gaslighting.
What the Zionist Genocide - a most appalling sociopathic savagery openly committed by those the Neoliberals claim as the representatives of an ethnicity which they deem “good” - and the support of it by the Neoliberals very overtly due to the ethnicity of those committing those acts, have made very clear to everybody else is that the Neoliberal form of Racist is just as extreme as the Fascist one, and being anchored on exactly the same view of people as “etnics” rather than individuals, easily turns into the same kind of Evil: because it’s entirely anchored on Prejudicial and Discriminatory views not Logic (even though they disguise their Racism by claiming it’s just a logical “helping a group which is a victim of oppression”), when the “representatives” of those they see as “good races” act in even the most Evil of ways the Neoliberals just keep on supporting them far beyond the point to which the argumentation they used in their claims of anti-Racism (such as “helping a group which is a victim of oppression”) can stretch.
This is the point at which we are now: their Racism together with the actions of those they see as “representatives” of a “good” race has stretched the Neoliberal “we’re really against-Racism” argument so far it uncovered the real dark nature of what lies under it.
I feel like this would be less strawmanny if the kid was saying “ethnic nationalism is evil” instead. Because while no one’s actually defending “genocide”, lots of people do defend zionism and the definition of zionism is basically white nationalism, but specific to jews.
The problem is that people have equated Israel to genocide to jewish people in general. So if you criticize the genocide the listener is free to imply you are critical of jewish people, therefore an antisemite.
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It doesn’t get any clearer than opposing a genocide but you choose to be complicit because Palestinians and their supporters are burning the flag of the government enabling their mass slaughter
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Strawman comic… NEXT!
My 13 year old daughter was called a Nazi at school because she’s of Jewish descent. Not Israeli, Jewish.
But don’t let that stop your enjoyment of this strawman comic that pretends like anti semitism plays Zero part in the reaction
Zionists have hijacked Judaism. This reminds me when Arabs and Muslims were expected to apologize for Alqaeda.
If that happened, huge if these days, that’s awful. Doesn’t excuse the genocide Israel is doing, doesn’t stop the fact Israel needs to be completely dismantled.
Every modern ethnostate so far has committed genocide. Ethnostates are bad.
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Perhaps not starting it on someone else’s country?
Settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing is the root of all evil here.
The argument isn’t “antisemitism doesn’t exist”. The argument is “criticism of Israel is not antisemitism”.
When you ask people what they would do if they had a time machine, a lot of them would mention “go back in time and kill Hitler”. But I’ve been having this thought lately - and I know it’s deeply problematic and inconsistent - but what if Hitler actually was from the future and decided to travel back in time to prevent the genocide that Israel is currently executing.
They’re quoting this comedy sketch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKw8Y4AzH_Y&t=339
Wow! I have not seen that standup routine or heard anyone mention those thoughts before. I’m very glad that I am not alone with having that problematic idea pop into my head.
And I - just like Daniel Fernandes - should clarify that I do not under any circumstance attempt to white wash Hitler. It’s merely a stray thought which makes a crazy plot line.
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Ok first off, I do not in any way support what netanyahu and the idf are doing at the moment. It’s fucking abhorrent. But, I will say that the Jews in Nazi Germany weren’t committing random acts of brutality against German civilians, and had never officially pledged in writing to eradicate all the germans. Again not an excuse, I just think it’s a little flippant to compare the two.
What a shock, a .worlder advocating for collective punishment and excusing genocide.
But, I will say that the Jews in Nazi Germany weren’t committing random acts of brutality against German civilians
Neither are the vast majority of Palestinians doing that to Israelis.
and had never officially pledged in writing to eradicate all the german
See above.
Your comment is not dissimilar from the “all Jews want to destroy the German race” bulllshit the Nazis spewed. Both are sweeping, malicious generalizations that aim to justify the oppression and collective punishment of entire ethnic groups.
I would also like to point out that just like the current Israeli administration, Hamas was democratically elected. So enough people agreed with their policies to put them in that position. Again, I actually know a few Palestinians, they’re good people, but I also understand that it’s pretty difficult for someone who has lost people close to them to to differentiate between the Palestinians who killed their sister because she was a Jew and the ones who didn’t. Again I’m not supporting genocide here.
They were “elected” before most of the population in Gaza was even born.
The current genocidal Israeli leadership was also democratically elected, and very recently at that, and their approval rating has only increased. What does that say about the majority of Israelis? Why do they deserve your sympathy if the Palestinians don’t because of who they voted for?
but I also understand that it’s pretty difficult for someone who has lost people close to them to to differentiate between the Palestinians who killed their sister because she was a Jew and the ones who didn’t
Care to clarify this BTW?
Hitler was elected too.
Just because people have the right to vote doesn’t make them intelligent and informed voters. People vote based upon information they have, and 1930s Germany was rife with propaganda. Half the people are dumber than average, and they all vote too.
Get outta here with yer facts and history!
