The Vulture article delves deep into the potential whys. It appears he suffered serious abuse by his parents who were very prominent Scientologists, pretty much the leaders of the cult in the UK.
Then, as an adult, he refused any kind of therapy. Instead, he became an abuser himself, even going so far as to potentially traumatize his own son.
None of that excuses his behaviour. He’s obviously very intelligent and his works show that he knew very well that what he did was evil and inexcusable. He wrote a chapter of Sandman about this exact thing! But in the end he just didn’t care. Because he probably thinks he’s rich, he’s famous and the rules don’t apply to him.
Jesus christ. Didnt he do Marvel 1610 or something?
chrissakes
Kill your heroes
That is so bad, but man I hope they don’t cancel Sandman
I agree, not just because I enjoyed the show, but it seemed like it was a fantastic opportunity for many of the people that worked on it. Gaiman’s shit behavior shouldn’t spoil the hard work of the hundreds of people involved in the show.
They already cancelled its spinoff show Dead Boy Detectives. And from what I understand, Gaiman was pretty closely involved in the production of Sandman, so continuing the show without him probably wouldn’t be so simple. I’d say, just assume it’s dead and done now and save yourself the disappointment later.
Aw dang, Dead boy detective was so good too! bless it. Why can’t we have nice things 😭
It was a Netflix series, of course they’ll cancel it.
Dammit
Eh, it doesn’t look good, once you find details. However, some of those details point to it being more of a horny, kinky dude crossing lines rather than assault. The worst details are from people linked to his wife that he’s in a nasty divorce with, and there are tiny holes in those stories.
Which means that he’s definitely not the paragon some folks thought he was because of being publicly behind feminist ideals. But there’s a chance that he is more of a flawed human being that needs a kick in the taint and a lock on his cock than a truly bad person that was acting with intent.
Kinda depends on what else comes out.
There are gradations of assholery, and some degrees are more forgivable, just not forgettable.
The article pretty clearly describes multiple cases of outright rape.
What are you talking about.
That article, sure.
There’s other info out there. Some worse, some less so.
Remember, these are accusations. There is a presumption of innocence right up until actual evidence is seen, for the court of public opinion. The standard for that is lower than for actual legal proceedings, be they criminal or civil. But it’s still the best path to both accept that the worst case is possible, while also allowing for the raw fact that not every accusation in the world is true.
That’s what I’m talking about.
Homie I responded to expressed regret about the subject matter. I described the ways it could be less than the worst case scenario. Because, and I’ll repeat this for clarity, every article in the world isn’t evidence, and not all the evidence has been seen.
It could be even worse than what this specific article suggests. It could end up being utter bullshit entirely. I don’t know where it will end up, nobody does.
What’s next, are you going to tell me 50 Shades of Grey doesn’t depict healthy relationships?! /s
New adage. The more vehemently some internet commenter tries to defend a rapist the more guilty they are.
No dude (I’m assuming you’re a dude). If you read the vulture article, there’s assault.
Nooo, there’s allegations of assault. And that is the difference that matters.
Up until actual evidence is released, it’s all innocence until proven otherwise.
This is not a contradiction to giving the people making the accusations the full chance for justice, with the willingness to believe them once evidence is available.
Right now, you have an article written by someone. That someone did not provide in that article the actual evidence. What they provided was a decent overview of the accusations in general, with some details of specific accusations. This is not the same thing as evidence. It is hearsay. While the article is credible, and the story as presented is harrowing, it is not the same thing as a proven fact.
Which, if you’d bothered to scan the thread insist of making a knee jerk comment, you’d see that this has already been said.
I thought you were said that what was alleged didn’t even rise to the level of assault, and honestly your earlier posts still read like that.
If that’s the impression most people are getting, that may be why you’re getting so down voted.
Tbh, I’m so tired of people that can’t be bothered to read something and think about it before making assumptions that I’m done with it.
The ability to turn off notifications is something lemmy desperately needs
I think another issue is that these women’s accusations are evidence, just not conclusive evidence or proof. Witness accounts and the pictures she provided are absolutely evidence, though. Neil Gaiman saying it was consensual is, by that same metric, also evidence. Getting those accounts through journalism is insufficient evidence for a conviction, but not for people to form an opinion. They should also be willing to revise that opinion, if and when additional evidence emerges.
You raped my dog.
There, I gave you evidence that you raped my dog.
It’s pretty blatant assault.
If it’s true.
Do people really forget the principle of innocent until proven guilty? It hasn’t been that long since it was being chanted like a religious mantra all over lemmy for Mr Mangione, as it should have been.
That principle is maybe the single most important principle in any legal system, period. I’d even place it on par with the concept of a trial by peers, maybe higher.
Now, we can all sit around and form our opinions as we wish. We can debate the issue until our fingertips go numb from typing, but the outright truth is that, unless I missed it, nobody has ponied up evidence directly. Quotes, statements, yes, but nobody, including Gaiman has made a public and full release of evidence.
Now, in this kind of situation, evidence can be scant. When you’re dealing with abuse over time rather than a single event where evidence is collected, it’s as hard as it gets. There’s likely zero physical evidence at all, so when it does come to light, it’s almost certainly going to be disclosures, messages, and maybe second hand witnesses (where someone saw physical evidence that no longer exists, I don’t know if there’s a better term for it).
But even that evidence has not been given in full. The articles (even the vulture one) don’t have much in the way of actual documentation, it’s all statements, accusations and denials. Neither of which is worth a damn. Him saying “nuh-uh” is no more useful than the accusation itself in terms of determining guilt, even solely in public opinion.
And, frankly, anyone making a definitive conclusion with as little real documentation as I’ve seen online so far, is probably an idiot anyway.
We can believe the accusers, take them seriously, give their voice full respect without immediately assuming guilt of a crime. An accusation is the first step, not the final one.
I’m not calling for the guy to be executed or anything.
Frankly we need more rehabilitation than punishment anyway.
Amen to that!
Sorry of I ended up aggro. I wasn’t thinking that way, it’s just a subject that’s been on my mind a lot lately, mainly because of Mr Mangione. With it churning around in my head for weeks now, I kinda spewed my (for lack of a better term) enthusiasm what with one of the other comments leaning hard into the accusatory. I responded to you after that, without taking a break to chill the fuck out all the way lol.
Sorry.
