Nooo, there’s allegations of assault. And that is the difference that matters.
Up until actual evidence is released, it’s all innocence until proven otherwise.
This is not a contradiction to giving the people making the accusations the full chance for justice, with the willingness to believe them once evidence is available.
Right now, you have an article written by someone. That someone did not provide in that article the actual evidence. What they provided was a decent overview of the accusations in general, with some details of specific accusations. This is not the same thing as evidence. It is hearsay. While the article is credible, and the story as presented is harrowing, it is not the same thing as a proven fact.
Which, if you’d bothered to scan the thread insist of making a knee jerk comment, you’d see that this has already been said.
I think another issue is that these women’s accusations are evidence, just not conclusive evidence or proof. Witness accounts and the pictures she provided are absolutely evidence, though. Neil Gaiman saying it was consensual is, by that same metric, also evidence. Getting those accounts through journalism is insufficient evidence for a conviction, but not for people to form an opinion. They should also be willing to revise that opinion, if and when additional evidence emerges.
No dude (I’m assuming you’re a dude). If you read the vulture article, there’s assault.
Nooo, there’s allegations of assault. And that is the difference that matters.
Up until actual evidence is released, it’s all innocence until proven otherwise.
This is not a contradiction to giving the people making the accusations the full chance for justice, with the willingness to believe them once evidence is available.
Right now, you have an article written by someone. That someone did not provide in that article the actual evidence. What they provided was a decent overview of the accusations in general, with some details of specific accusations. This is not the same thing as evidence. It is hearsay. While the article is credible, and the story as presented is harrowing, it is not the same thing as a proven fact.
Which, if you’d bothered to scan the thread insist of making a knee jerk comment, you’d see that this has already been said.
I thought you were said that what was alleged didn’t even rise to the level of assault, and honestly your earlier posts still read like that.
If that’s the impression most people are getting, that may be why you’re getting so down voted.
Tbh, I’m so tired of people that can’t be bothered to read something and think about it before making assumptions that I’m done with it.
The ability to turn off notifications is something lemmy desperately needs
I think another issue is that these women’s accusations are evidence, just not conclusive evidence or proof. Witness accounts and the pictures she provided are absolutely evidence, though. Neil Gaiman saying it was consensual is, by that same metric, also evidence. Getting those accounts through journalism is insufficient evidence for a conviction, but not for people to form an opinion. They should also be willing to revise that opinion, if and when additional evidence emerges.
You raped my dog.
There, I gave you evidence that you raped my dog.
Yes, I agree that that is evidence, though again not conclusive evidence or proof. Are you surprised?