Original post by u/Proton_Team on Reddit, reposting here so everyone is in the loop on updates.
Hi all, last night, a post from last year from my personal X account suddenly became a topic of discussion here on Reddit. I want to share a few thoughts on this to provide clarity to the community on what is Proton’s policy on politics going forward.
First, while the X post was not intended to be a political statement, I can understand how it can be interpreted as such, and it therefore should not have been made. While we will not prohibit all employees from expressing personal political opinions publicly, it is something I will personally avoid in the future. I lean left on some issues, and right on other issues, but it doesn’t serve our mission to publicly debate this. It should be obvious, but I will say that it is a false equivalence to say that agreeing with Republicans on one specific issue (antitrust enforcement to protect small companies) is equal to endorsing the entire Republican party platform.
Second, officially Proton must always be politically neutral, and while we may share facts and analysis, our policy going forward will be to share no opinions of a political nature. The line between facts, analysis, and opinions can be blurry at times, but we will seek to better clarify this over time through your feedback and input.
The exception to these rules is on the topics of privacy, security, and freedom. These are necessarily political topics, where influencing public policy to defend these values, often requires engaging politically.
The operations of Proton have always reflected our neutrality. For example, recently we refused pressure to deplatform both Palestinian student groups and Zionist student groups, not because we necessarily agreed with their views, but because we believe more strongly in their right to have their own views.
It is also a legal guarantee under Swiss law, which explicitly prohibits us from assisting foreign governments or agencies, and allows us no discretion to show favoritism as Swiss law and Swiss courts have the final say.
The promise we make is that no matter your politics, you will always be welcome at Proton (subject of course to adherence to our terms and conditions). When it comes to defending your right to privacy, Proton will show no favoritism or bias, and will unconditionally defend it irrespective of the opinions you may hold.
This is because both Proton as a company, and Proton as a community, is highly diverse, with people that hold a wide range of opinions and perspectives. It’s important that we not lose sight of nuance. Agreeing/disagreeing with somebody on one point, rarely means you agree/disagree with them on every other point.
I would like to believe that as a community there is more that unites us than divides us, and that privacy and freedom are universal values that we can all agree upon. This continues to be the mission of the non-profit Proton Foundation, and we will strive to carry it out as neutrally as possible.
Going forward, I will be posting via u/andy1011000. Thank you for your feedback and inputs so far, and we look forward to continuing the conversation.
I don’t feel like he needed to even go so far as to apologize. He didn’t say anything wrong in the first place.
officially Proton must always be politically neutral
It is not and should not be. Proton should (and does) advocate for consumer privacy rights, even donating to orgs like GrapheneOS and EFF. These actions are active participation in American politics. You repeatedly lie that these are not political positions when they very clearly are.
What you CAN do is refrain from sweeping statements about entire political parties. Stick to the facts. Stick to individual people and specific issues.
The fact that this needs to be explained to a CEO is astonishing.
He literally followed that statement with privacy being the sole exception. I don’t think you read the whole post.
while the X post was not intended to be a political statement
What kind of gaslighting is this?
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He almost got me with the one year ago thing
“Post from last year”, lol. He admitted to be a sneaky fuck right in the first sentence.
Reminds me of all the “I haven’t see you since last year” jokes after xmas / new year breaks in school
So, what I’m reading from this fucker is:
I’m sorry; not for being a neofascist and a neonazi, but for getting caught at it. As such, I shall no longer post my opinions, so that people forget that I am, the same way I am emphasizing “your right to privacy” when we just handed over environmental activist to big government. Also, (14)88.
No, this is “I just said one good thing about Republicans because this particular thing actually aligns with our mission and everyone got batshit crazy over it, so, okay buds, no politics”
It wasn’t one particular thing, he made sweeping judgements about entire political parties.
Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost. Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.
If he wants to call out Democrats for not doing enough, I’ll be right behind him, but to says such ludicrous things as conservatives are “looking out for the little guys” while tech oligarchs are praising Trump and sending him tens of millions of dollars and lining up to attend his inauguration ceremony shows wild levels of ignorance and incompetence that someone in such a position absolutely should not have.
Yeah, but this is Lemmy, where anything that’s not extreme left is automatically neo-Nazism, so it’s kinda expected. 😑
The thing is that response is bullshit. He intended it to be a political statement he trashed Democrats to gain favor with Republicans. He hit on a common right wing talking point ans when callee out he tried to pass it off as just fact. He couldn’t defend his statement when people came with a comparison of the facts.
Now he’s doing the worst thing, trying to play both sides. Oh you lean left on some issues and right on some issues. I’d be pretty fucking careful saying I lean right on some issues considering how extreme the American right is. In the current political landscape the middle ground is not possible. You cannot have consistent morals and be in the middle.
I thought this comment (and the thread below it…and the lack of any reply to it despite the CEO being all over the thread elsewhere) was pretty telling.
It’s much less of a strong tell, but is slightly concerning that he’s picked up language like “triggered”. As comments there say, his excuse of not being in-tune with American politics could be real, but are also possibly just plausible deniability, because he may have picked up on that language by hanging out online with fascists.
Yes exactly! It also left a really sour taste when the CEO started aruging his side then when he realized he was getting cooked he was like “oh I dont want to discuss politics lets just drop this”
Is he not swiss?
Depends on who you ask: Magats will probably say that he is yellow, so a ch*nk. Poor Andy wants to be a token I guess.
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88 huh
This is the same kind of horseshit opinion that led to the logic of “we don’t negotiate with terrorists.”
There is nothing wrong with trying to find common ground with people you disagree with. Life is not a zero sum game, and I’m sick and tired of all this needless and divisive outrage. Ya’ll need to chill the fuck out and quit attacking everyone that is less than perfect from your perspective.
I understand your comment and if it was any other right wing president I would agree and would not be taking such a harsh stance. Trump is different. Trump is not just ideologically opposed to me passing things I disagree with. Trump directly attacks and threatens the lives of the people I care about. He changes the culture in a way that makes me sick to my stomach. His views are something I cannot accept.
Cool, can you explain to us how your centrist approach would work in practice? Should Trump only remove some rights from trans people? Only deport 500,000 immigrants instead of one million?
No, you don’t try to find a common ground with trump. That would make you an asshole.
I don’t like to compare him to Hitler much, but it’s an apt example of why trying to find common ground is not automatically virtuous. Sometimes you don’t want to do that.
It actually took quite an effort not to mention hitler in my post…
Before reading this, I’ll assume damage control. Let’s see…
Edit: Yep, damage control. As others have said, his opinions are his opinions, whatever. Making his opinion the official opinion of Proton: no no no no no
As non native I though it was very well written and all arguments seem reasonably taking away all misunderstanding.
I don’t care of any political view I don’t bother losing my time with unnecessary debates between turds and piece of shits…They all come out from an a$$ anyway !
However, there’s something else that bothers me coming from Proton. I don’t know… they don’t feel like a privacy conscious company anymore…
Look how bloated their website is, I lost my way more than once to find a specific option, how many ads they send paying customers through their throat, free VPN connection? Seems also very suspicious…
I don’t know my guts are telling me to stay away from them… Don’t get me wrong I used their free VPN tier for a while and their email service is top notch… But as the saying says: Follow your guts !
Edit: Also in the past the Suiss governement didn’t offerd Snowden asylum… so far goes neutrality heh?
I’m not going to dictate on whether you should use their services in light of the recent post from the ceo. I’d just say, don’t be surprised when the data connections on the back end are made , or otherwise the data from the company goes into Cambridge analytica etc and you’re not informed.
Except that would literally be illegal under Swiss law.
Yeah that’s what I was saying, I have a strange feeling when approaching Proton… Everything in the same basket? Giving them all my info from password, email, notes, calendar… I don’t think this is a good/wise idea.
Wow, saying that Trump picked someone who would break up trusts was left, not right.
But here he said that he sometimes leans to the right is a problem.