I cannot repost what Flying Squid was posting here, because it involved highly disturbing and dangerous content, including:
Content Warning
Graphic content, harassment, self-harm, and suicidal ideation, which I reported immediately.
While this behavior is shocking, it’s not completely out of left field, as members of this community and platform will already be familiar with their behavior. Flying Squid has long been regarded as one of the least productive and most problematic mods on all of Lemmy, often picking fights and abusing their mod privileges. I view this change as a positive step for Squid, .world, and Lemmy as a whole.
Im on Lemmy far more than I’d like to admit. Im always so confused when I see Squid hate. Ive never seen him say anything that’s not equal to what the other person is saying.
I can’t even see this “episode”.
I think there are people that take it waaaay too seriously when they see someone else is a mod. Mods are just you and me, but they have a more active role in whatever community. You can be a mod anytime you’d like. Simply create a community and voila! You are now a hated person.
Ive been banned from multiple places and couldn’t care any less about who banned me, or who the mods are. Grow up and chill out.
Anywhoo that’s my 2 crumbs. Enjoy the rest of your weekend everyone!
What is the point of this post, when there’s no actual details as to what was posted? The key images seem to have been deleted off server, and without that it’s extremely difficult to pick up the context.
The modlog shows the conversation. The person in question seems to have a breakdown and offers to commit suicide on stream for someone who they claim want them dead.
Because of the content of the offending material it’s really hard to put the full info in a post without breaking terms of service. You are welcome to make your own post if you feel you can do better! :)
No, I have no idea what the context is. Hence my comment, because this is all drama without any info.
May I have a link to the modlog?
Filter by user, then you can search within that.
Looked up the modlogs. What the actual fuck.
That said, this whole episode and the comment deletions with the “we can’t share this” reasons kinda show how Lemmy is better than Reddit in that modlogs are public.
I find it great that mods can’t outright delete stuff, only hide it. It lets them do the job of cleaning up convos of spam and trolls without the unchecked power aspect to it.
Am I crazy or is the modlog missing heaps?
I control-f for the ‘I to complain?’ part of the post above and don’t see anything. Just trying to follow the argument is confusing as hell? It sounds like someone doxxed FS, and he got suicidal over it? I hope gets some help if he’s seriously feeling like that.
The modlog, as far as I can tell, gets sorted in the same order as user profiles do, by default. Which is to say “here’s some recent stuff okay let’s skip over some stuff hey here’s some random stuff from two months ago that’s pretty good right? I have been drinking FYI.”
I could be wrong about this. I definitely feel like I have seen it be missing stuff even without mod purges though. Searching for the specific community or specific user / moderator you’re looking for is usually pretty reliable, as long as there aren’t pages and pages of results, then the same issue seems like it might occur.
Both of them are fucking insane. To devote this much energy to weirdos on the internet is deranged. They both need to devote their energy to better things, as evidenced by the fact that I had to press “show context” on their comment thread so many times I lost patience. I thought everyone on Lemmy was better than this. I dont care what the original cause of the disagreement was at this rate because EVERY step of the way, one of them couldve turned on do not disturb or gone to an alt account or SOMETHING. If either of you are seeing this, you can do better. Flying Squid specifically? Threatening suicide is the number one way to look immature (of every kind), especially over a stranger on the internet. Do. Better.
Edit: If someone could give a kind description of what the drama was even all about, I’d appreciate it. I can’t bear to dig through either of their histories.
And the sick thing is we have been CALLING THIS GUY OUT FOREVER. The .world admins are ABSOLUTELY partially at fault for this for letting this user have the power they have had for so fucking long. Sorry for shouting I’m upsetti. 🙃
+1 to your edit though. The content was so vile and triggering, I was not up to the task. So, fair warning to anyone who wants to further investigate a case where every party is so obviously in the wrong. Tread carefully.
we have been CALLING THIS GUY OUT FOREVER
The mods aren’t the only ones at fault either. He got so much support for this insanity. Call out his BS? Get asked for evidence. Provide text book evidence and it isn’t enough. Be clearly in the right from a PTB and downvoted 10:1. The one time he’s not technically being a PTB, but rather exhibiting symptoms of manic-depression, and people defend him saying ‘this post isn’t appropriate’ when the history makes it absolutely so. All you upvoting MFs in the past have been cheering a clearly insane person, so maybe do a personal inventory of what seems rational to you and double check reality eh?
I’d be cheering for his removal except he’s still mod of a few communities I’d like to participate in. L.W admins need to delete all his content and ban the IP address. I for one can’t wait to never see that name on Lemmy ever again and I know I’m not alone.
I’m not a fan of his moderation style, but isn’t the last paragraph a bit much?
It’d only be enforcing what probably is going to happen voluntarily anyways. My guess is it will be months before he uses the account again because he’ll want the drama of ‘did he do it?’ to play out.
If I thought it wasn’t too much I wouldn’t have said it, and you saying it is literally supports the first paragraph (edit: which makes it a hilarious joke if that was your intention). He shouldn’t be on Lemmy. The damage he’s done over time is incalculable and what good would come of letting him back on? Besides it’s not like even that could stop him anyways.
It’d only be enforcing what probably is going to happen voluntarily anyways.
What the fuck? What is this comment?
I definitely think, at this point, that there is a little cabal of people who are devoted to harassing FlyingSquid, not just about his moderation but on a personal level, and they aren’t stopping even when it sounds like he is clearly mentally struggling right now. That’s fucked up. Don’t do that.
You said “call out his BS, get asked for evidence, show evidence, it isn’t enough” along with a lot of personal attacks towards FlyingSquid. What is your evidence of him being a PTB? Literally the only thing I have seen after asking this question a few times is that he sometimes argues with people, and a few months ago made a mistake on a report and didn’t realize that multiple copies of the same message were all different reports about duplicated spam content, IDK, some weird honest-mistake situation like that. And he’s rude to people sometimes. Nothing about banning people unnecessarily, or setting arbitrary rules for content removal, or anything like that, which is normally what I think of as PTB. Not “arguing.”
What is your evidence for him being a PTB? I promise, it’ll be “enough,” I’ll take it seriously if there is any.
I definitely think, at this point, that there is a little cabal of people who are devoted to harassing
Definitely. I haven’t seen evidence (though I might be wrong) that it’s any more than one user with a bunch of discuss.online alts. One of their alts DMd me immediately after Squid’s removal saying “you’re welcome” as though I am thankful for harassment just because I don’t like the guy. Honestly I hope this user doing the harassment gets IP banned. Imagine taking pride in provoking someone’s mental health. Freakish.
Thanks for pointing this out
What is your evidence of him being a PTB?
For what it’s worth, I just had a look at [email protected] and couldn’t find any documented example of actual power tripping naming him. Maybe the posts about him didn’t use his nickname. Maybe there was nothing about him in the first place. Definitely not a clear case.
Edit: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=580006, see other comment
I’ve directly asked a few different people who claimed he was a PTB what it was that he did, and it’s always some kind of bizarrely hyped-up misdemeanor. Every time. Not even “he banned this person who arguably wasn’t actually a troll, but it’s a gray area” but literally like “he sent this person a rude comment while they were in an argument OH THE HUMANITY.” It’s actually always the same two or three examples from four to six months ago. And they’re always incredibly vocal and emotional about how terrible he is.
I’m not trying to get involved in lemmy.world moderator drama. I haven’t even looked into this latest thing with him posting self-harm things. But I’ve formed a much more firm opinion, just as of today, that there is some kind of organized effort to drum him out of being a moderator, which seems to be succeeding.
I already talked about that one, and found your explanation for why that was a horrible thing for him to say pretty unconvincing, but sure, I’ll look into it more. Who was he talking to? Where was this so I can see the comments context? I already gave my reaction but maybe if I looked at the full context, I would feel differently, and it’s so old a comment that it’s not on my instance and obviously I’m not going to look through 4+ months of comments to find it and see the context for myself.
Update: some pointed pointed about the ban from this user 5 months ago: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=580006
I don’t have much more context unfortunately
What, return2ozma, the precursor to UniversalMonk? That’s the PTB is that FlyingSquid banned him?
He’s calmed down recently, but he used to be pretty spammy and unapologetic about it. He was finally banned “officially” because he basically said that he was seeking out specifically anti-Biden stuff and posting a steady stream of it to make sure that side of the story got some heavy airtime on Lemmy, as if there was a shortage of it. I’m not convinced that that should be the final straw in terms of handing someone a ban, but there was broad agreement from the mod team that he should be banned.
It also, as far as I can tell, wasn’t FlyingSquid that banned him. Unless it was from an alt used for admin, or something?
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&modId=477305&userId=580006
Edit: Update: Here’s all the actions that FS took against return2ozma. Looks pretty legit to me.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=477305&userId=580006
I agree he shouldn’t be moderating any community. But IP banning him from the whole site seems too much.
Removed by mod
why is it not there anymore?
Yeah that’s a bit concerning, the modlog has been tampered with so much.
This is certainly mod/admin overreach. I’d say it could almost be its own post.
If this post was about Flying Squid banning you then I’d get the relevance to this community. Otherwise it’s just drama imo.
There are enough posts complaining about FlyingSquid moderation here for this one to be relevant
Edit: actually, couldn’t find any actual report about power tripping from FlyingSquid, so if anyone has anything, feel free to share
i disagree personally i think this post certainly falls under “bans or other sanctions from mods” as outlined in the sidebar
Who was power tripping in this example?
oops i wrote that comment in the wrong text box. copy pasting here:
your position is valid in that this is technically not an example of active power tripping. i personally think this community is more valuable as a historical resource with this kind of follow up content but i won’t say your opinion is wrong.
BPR
But they didn’t act in moderation but as a user so the only actual mod action here is Jordan and it’s justified to remove that comment chain.
Exactly. And while FS may have been a PTB in general, this isn’t really an example of it, it’s just sad.
edit: replied to wrong comment original conversation here
Because he’d been reported on here previously? Ok, I kind of get what you are saying, but it also feels a bit like rubbing salt in his wounds when he’s obviously having a hard time. But it’s just my sentimental opinion and I won’t say you’re wrong either lol.
you know what you changed my perspective. im gonna edit the title at least you are absolutely right i am being a little salt rubby here.
arr we’re all a bit salty sometimes :p
Okay I tried to go through the modlog and the comment screenshot that you censored is removed from the modlog?!? How the fuck in censorship that bad on this platform. I might as well use tiktok
If you read further down it is discussed why it was removed.
Removed from the mod log tho? I don’t see anywhere explaining that
Ah I see, thanks
they still moderate the following communities
Why don’t the Redditor stay there.
i’m saying like-
Fuck yeah 🤘
