I probably get hate for this but I think it’s too easy to blame everything on capitalism. I think the lack of governance of big businesses is what is actually causing issues. The laws allow for exploitation and the infinite accumulation of wealth. Capitalism has to follow the laws…
Have you considered that there may be a link between Capitalism as a Mode of Production and the continuous strengthening of power in Monopolies over the State?
You’re actually understanding why Communism makes sense. If centralization is an assured result of Capitalism, it makes more sense to publicly own and plan, and open up control to democratic measures. Industry will advance, and centralization will occur, so it is better to have the people own and plan this process rather than unaccountable Capitalists.
This was the entire reason behind Marx’s predictions for Communism.
Plus the documented failure of planned economies, leading to famines and mass deaths.
I think you’re confusing socialist planned economies with capitalism & imperialism (A.K.A. monopoly capitalism), because the vast majority of famines and mass deaths have occurred in the later[1].
You can’t forbid the passage of time. Monopoly is the end result of Capitalism, firms beat others and absorb them. Simply “banning” them or breaking them up a bit does nothing to actually prevent them from forming and weakening the power of the state to do so, the state after all serves business.
Secondly, I don’t know what you’re genuinely getting at with planned economies and famines and mass deaths. In all AES countries, life expectancy rose dramatically, and previously common famines ended. Tsarist Russia and China under the KMT had regular famines until the Soviets and CPC respectively improved agriculture and stopped famine. It wasn’t an overnight fix, but it was fixed because of the planned economy.
I think you haven’t done any research at all, honestly.
What’s a holodomor or two between friends, right? How many of your familiy members died in one? Or is your research just limited to dictators’ propaganda?
Any source on those monopolies, btw? Banning them (again, in countries there the law applies, so not the US) works just fine. Any service or product I can think of I can get at least 3 different sources to offer it, sometimes hundreds. Unlike behind the iron curtain, which was either one or very often zero.
The famine in the 30s was indeed the last of its kind, outside of World War II when Nazi Germany took Ukraine, the USSR’s breadbasket, famine was over and food stabilized in a country that had regular famines for centuries. My research includes primary sources and contemporary sources from after the opening of the Soviet Archives, I can link some books if you’d like.
As for Monopolies, look at the stock market. The state serves business, breaking up monopolies is done with the consent of larger businesses. Further, combination of firms is a necessity to combat the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall, by controlling more of the supply chain for any given commodity you can streamline it and improve production capacity. This is an ever-increasing scale.
Today, wealth concentration is the highest it has been in history in some of the fewest hands possible. Monopoly is a fact.
So yeah, “what’s a holodomor between friends” is indeed your argument? A small oopsie of 5M deaths. Other than that, and the purges, the gulags, the ethnic cleansing, the police state, the corruption, the mass murders and a few invasion of neighbors, everything was perfect. Oh, and the monopoly of everything.
But yes, tell me more how capitalism, some day, maybe, perhaps, if the stars align, will create some monopoly.
It very obviously is and entire books have been written on this subject. You could try reading some of them. Can start with Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent.
I love how you just throw terms around in an attempt make yourself sound smart. Nobody is appealing to authority here. What you’re being told is that you should educate yourself on the subject instead of spewing ignorant nonsense. Read books from people who spent time studying these things, and try to use the few precious brain cells that you possess to comprehend what they say. You don’t have to take them at their word. You can read the supporting evidence they provide, read what other researchers say, and then form an understanding of the subject. Or you could just continue being an ignorant clown.
I probably get hate for this but I think it’s too easy to blame everything on capitalism. I think the lack of governance of big businesses is what is actually causing issues. The laws allow for exploitation and the infinite accumulation of wealth. Capitalism has to follow the laws…
Damn, who would have thought that a system where power comes from holding capital, the laws favor those who hold capital.
The capitalist class largely writes the laws, and they don’t like competition at all.
@Luccajan @yogthos
No. Capitalism makes the laws!
Have you considered that there may be a link between Capitalism as a Mode of Production and the continuous strengthening of power in Monopolies over the State?
Right, “lack of monopolies”, the defining trait of communism…
You’re actually understanding why Communism makes sense. If centralization is an assured result of Capitalism, it makes more sense to publicly own and plan, and open up control to democratic measures. Industry will advance, and centralization will occur, so it is better to have the people own and plan this process rather than unaccountable Capitalists.
This was the entire reason behind Marx’s predictions for Communism.
Monopolies are forbidden in (functioning) capitalist economies, they are not an assured result. So that kind of breaks the whole premise.
Plus the documented failure of planned economies, leading to famines and mass deaths.
By who? God?
Most communist revolutions led to massive increase in life expectancy and a massive reduction in hunger. That’s just a empirical fact.
I think you’re confusing socialist planned economies with capitalism & imperialism (A.K.A. monopoly capitalism), because the vast majority of famines and mass deaths have occurred in the later[1].
You can’t forbid the passage of time. Monopoly is the end result of Capitalism, firms beat others and absorb them. Simply “banning” them or breaking them up a bit does nothing to actually prevent them from forming and weakening the power of the state to do so, the state after all serves business.
Secondly, I don’t know what you’re genuinely getting at with planned economies and famines and mass deaths. In all AES countries, life expectancy rose dramatically, and previously common famines ended. Tsarist Russia and China under the KMT had regular famines until the Soviets and CPC respectively improved agriculture and stopped famine. It wasn’t an overnight fix, but it was fixed because of the planned economy.
I think you haven’t done any research at all, honestly.
What’s a holodomor or two between friends, right? How many of your familiy members died in one? Or is your research just limited to dictators’ propaganda?
Any source on those monopolies, btw? Banning them (again, in countries there the law applies, so not the US) works just fine. Any service or product I can think of I can get at least 3 different sources to offer it, sometimes hundreds. Unlike behind the iron curtain, which was either one or very often zero.
The famine in the 30s was indeed the last of its kind, outside of World War II when Nazi Germany took Ukraine, the USSR’s breadbasket, famine was over and food stabilized in a country that had regular famines for centuries. My research includes primary sources and contemporary sources from after the opening of the Soviet Archives, I can link some books if you’d like.
As for Monopolies, look at the stock market. The state serves business, breaking up monopolies is done with the consent of larger businesses. Further, combination of firms is a necessity to combat the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall, by controlling more of the supply chain for any given commodity you can streamline it and improve production capacity. This is an ever-increasing scale.
Today, wealth concentration is the highest it has been in history in some of the fewest hands possible. Monopoly is a fact.
So yeah, “what’s a holodomor between friends” is indeed your argument? A small oopsie of 5M deaths. Other than that, and the purges, the gulags, the ethnic cleansing, the police state, the corruption, the mass murders and a few invasion of neighbors, everything was perfect. Oh, and the monopoly of everything.
But yes, tell me more how capitalism, some day, maybe, perhaps, if the stars align, will create some monopoly.
How can you not understand that all these things are related and are a direct product of the way capitalist system function.
Because it’s not…
It very obviously is and entire books have been written on this subject. You could try reading some of them. Can start with Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent.
Lots of books have been written about scientology too, appeal to authority won’t fly here.
👆That’s your entire argument so far, that and equating Edward Herman & Noam Chomsky with L. Ron Hubbard.
Ah, so you want me to prove a negative? Right on!
PS: rebuttal of appeal to authority with more appeal to authority. Noice.
I guess you’re here to sound like a sophomore debate pervert and to collect downvotes.
Proof by assertion, ‘noice’
Proof by assertion is apparently fine though
I love how you just throw terms around in an attempt make yourself sound smart. Nobody is appealing to authority here. What you’re being told is that you should educate yourself on the subject instead of spewing ignorant nonsense. Read books from people who spent time studying these things, and try to use the few precious brain cells that you possess to comprehend what they say. You don’t have to take them at their word. You can read the supporting evidence they provide, read what other researchers say, and then form an understanding of the subject. Or you could just continue being an ignorant clown.