I am absolutely disgusted by this. Basically they are saying they intentionally and knowingly manipulated Palestinian Americans and pro-Palestinians into allowing a Trump victory and the doubling up of the growing threat of a trans, queer and POC genocide among much more violence.
You may have different opinions from me about the third party voters and the culpability they carry, but I hope we all can agree that Jason Call and company here are blatantly evil and have blood on their hands.
Hoping this can be a moment of reactionary leftist unity. Fuck every leader who actively worked towards MAGA. I’m doing my best to organize and do damage control, but not because some dumbass Jill Stein employee told me to. You should too.
I don’t know anything about the Green party except that they exist and always run for president. Are they actually big enough to have made a difference in the election? I’ve always seen them as a meme nobody takes seriously.
If every vote cast for Stein in ‘24 had gone to Harris instead the outcome would not have changed.
Personally, my outrage is at the leaders here—at the Green party admitting their goal was to elect Trump and the Democratic party refusing to give a platform people would vote for.
honestly, I have this nagging feeling that stein only runs to deliberately split the democratic vote. she knows exactly trumps position on Gaza, facism and capitalism. and she looks the other way either for personal gain, or because she supports trumps positions
Yes, BUT that’s not where we are yet. And until that’s where we are, and until the electoral college is also some kind of ranked-choice, it’s profoundly immoral to influence people to vote in a way that will cause more harm and suffering.
Basically they are saying they intentionally and knowingly manipulated Palestinian Americans and pro-Palestinians into allowing a Trump victory and the doubling up of the growing threat of a trans, queer and POC genocide among much more violence.
😳
I’m not sure where you got all of that info. The tweet and article I read mentions none of what you listed him admitting to saying.
I point this out not because I agree with him; I don’t. I point it out because these types of responses are misinformation, plain and simple. And we have enough of that from everyone else.
Your comment is by suggesting otherwise. If the Green party in the US were actually a serious party, they would be involved in more than just the presidential election.
So please. Stop spreading lies that the Green party is anything but what they are. Stop pretending they didn’t contribute to the rise of fascism. Stop pretending they didn’t contribute to a Trump win.
And most of all, don’t pretend that they didn’t know Trump would go all in on genocide.
Correct, however there’s more than a hundred in local offices. You people always say of they were serious they’d start from the bottom, grass roots. They’ve been doing that. Your post is misinformation created by your billionaire owners to dissuade any effective organizing in any way that would hurt them.
They haven’t been doing it at all. They put all the money into the presidential election - which they can’t win - blatantly, and by their own admission across multiple years to take away from democrats.
They are a spoiler party. Thats it.
I have stated nothing but facts, and your response is “but billionaires exist” - what in the wild wild west are you even saying?
Complete nonsensical garbage. Not interested. Goodbye.
I’m not referring to the Green Party. I’m referring to the commenter above me and I quoted the part of their comment that I’m referring to as misinformation.
I am absolutely disgusted by this. Basically they are saying they intentionally and knowingly manipulated Palestinian Americans and pro-Palestinians into allowing a Trump victory and the doubling up of the growing threat of a trans, queer and POC genocide among much more violence.
You may have different opinions from me about the third party voters and the culpability they carry, but I hope we all can agree that Jason Call and company here are blatantly evil and have blood on their hands.
Hoping this can be a moment of reactionary leftist unity. Fuck every leader who actively worked towards MAGA. I’m doing my best to organize and do damage control, but not because some dumbass Jill Stein employee told me to. You should too.
I don’t know anything about the Green party except that they exist and always run for president. Are they actually big enough to have made a difference in the election? I’ve always seen them as a meme nobody takes seriously.
If every vote cast for Stein in ‘24 had gone to Harris instead the outcome would not have changed.
Personally, my outrage is at the leaders here—at the Green party admitting their goal was to elect Trump and the Democratic party refusing to give a platform people would vote for.
honestly, I have this nagging feeling that stein only runs to deliberately split the democratic vote. she knows exactly trumps position on Gaza, facism and capitalism. and she looks the other way either for personal gain, or because she supports trumps positions
That’s exactly what she does. She’s a Russian plant who runs for president every four years despite not seeking any other political office.
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She has been to many GOP backed events. It has been known for quite a while that she is run as a spoiler.
If you have this feeling then you should be working to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state so splitting the vote isn’t a possibility.
Yes, BUT that’s not where we are yet. And until that’s where we are, and until the electoral college is also some kind of ranked-choice, it’s profoundly immoral to influence people to vote in a way that will cause more harm and suffering.
i don’t thing it has to be a nagging feeling even :/ i think this tweet basically proves it
i mean he basically says “yeah we did this so trump would win”
like yeah it’s with veiled language but only about as veiled as musk’s “my heart goes out to you”
😳
I’m not sure where you got all of that info. The tweet and article I read mentions none of what you listed him admitting to saying.
I point this out not because I agree with him; I don’t. I point it out because these types of responses are misinformation, plain and simple. And we have enough of that from everyone else.
We are to be held to a higher standard.
It is not remotely misinformation.
Your comment is by suggesting otherwise. If the Green party in the US were actually a serious party, they would be involved in more than just the presidential election.
So please. Stop spreading lies that the Green party is anything but what they are. Stop pretending they didn’t contribute to the rise of fascism. Stop pretending they didn’t contribute to a Trump win.
And most of all, don’t pretend that they didn’t know Trump would go all in on genocide.
Stop spreading this misinformation, greens hold more offices than all other third parties combined in the US.
There is not one member of the green party holding a federal office.
There is not one member of the green party currently holding a state office.
It is not misinformation.
Correct, however there’s more than a hundred in local offices. You people always say of they were serious they’d start from the bottom, grass roots. They’ve been doing that. Your post is misinformation created by your billionaire owners to dissuade any effective organizing in any way that would hurt them.
“More than a hundred?” “In local offices?” Sweet! We’ve got over one hundred Green Party comptrollers! We’re saved!
Utter and complete nonsense.
They haven’t been doing it at all. They put all the money into the presidential election - which they can’t win - blatantly, and by their own admission across multiple years to take away from democrats.
They are a spoiler party. Thats it.
I have stated nothing but facts, and your response is “but billionaires exist” - what in the wild wild west are you even saying?
Complete nonsensical garbage. Not interested. Goodbye.
I’m not referring to the Green Party. I’m referring to the commenter above me and I quoted the part of their comment that I’m referring to as misinformation.
That they are stating in direct reference to the Green Party.
for sure dude