• cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
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      Basically, Tankies are authoritarian bootlickers pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend/just western propganda.

      Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle. So, many instances defed from those 2.

      .ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Because of that, and a lot of the lemmy support forums being on .ml, they tend to get handled with “kid gloves” more or less by most instances.

      You can check out [email protected] or [email protected] and https://lemmy.world/post/26416571 https://lemmy.world/post/26047186 if you want to see more.

      ___

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        Thanks! TIL I have a tankie in my extended family lol. Whenever we’ve talked about Russia/Ukraine or really anything, the response is ‘but what about the dems!’. Its weird to have someone who’s educated and seems quite rational in most ways actually believe that the pre-trump US was worse than Russia, where you really can’t be a journalist without falling out of a window. Another of their favourite arguments is ‘stop imposing your western values onto other cultures who don’t want them’ SMH. Still, I’d choose a tankie over a MAGA.

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          Huh, so they do exist IRL lmao, you got yourself a unicorn lolol most of us have only ever encountered them online (Knowingly at least)

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      Sorry. Not awesome. They are more ban happy than the tankies. I’m fairly sure I got banned for referring to a keyboard as a “bad boy”. Either that or somebody was playing ban roulette.

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        I got banned for calling someone naive when they said they were going to vote third party last year lmao

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    Tbf the admins of lemmy.ml are the ones who actually develop the service. They deserve our thanks also.

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      Thank Dessalines for Lemmy and Jerboa

      People who name themselves after genocidal warlords can make some pretty good software

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      I can thank them for their development efforts, but not on how they run their instance.

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        ‘I would like to enjoy the benefits of collective efforts without supporting the political ideology that makes it possible in the first place.’

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          This can be done under right wing libertarianism as well. Or general green people. Idk.

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              Spamming links with quotes that are unrelated?

              The point was that the tankie triad are authoritarian, that’s just a fact

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                What did the “authoritarian” Lemmy instances do, make you eat your spinach? 😂

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                “authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs. Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.

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                  “authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs.

                  Not how I’m using it here, which is a direct comment on how a Lemmy instance is run. If you want to pretend the tankie triad aren’t authoritarian then you’re too stupid to discuss anything with, honestly

                  Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.

                  No, I haven’t, I’m one of the filthy socialists who argue in favor of many of the ideas of those regimes. You just see someone pointing out the bad of the tankie triad and make assumptions that I’m not firmly on the left and just disgusted by how high they are on the compass compared to me

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    Remember to donate to your server admin. Running a server is expensive, not to mention the time and effort that goes into maintenance

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      Same, but I also think killing average working people for no reason makes you a bad person.

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        socialism = murdering innocent civilians is a propaganda trope. who would want that?

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      Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime

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        Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.

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        socialism is, by definition, more democratic than any capitalist regime because it can’t work if people don’t want it. it also provides an excellent framework for overthrowing capitalism.

        if not that, then what do you want it replaced with?

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          This conversation is great.

          (in case it does not load there is a picture in this reply)

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                  … or snapping out of it. seriously, if you live in the US you have Hollywood right by your doorstep. take a moment to investigate leftism further than what their common sense is, and you will see its nothing like that. also note not i’m not saying its perfect either, but we are constantly learning.

                  the owner class engages in class warfare whether we decide to believe in it or not.

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      No, a lot of users, especially on Lemmygrad, support Russia and their invasion, for example. Hexbear supports China’s dictator. Most .ml I’ve interacted with are also on Russia’s side.

      Don’t act like the only thing is anti-capitalism. That’d be fine. It’s everywhere on the fediverse. No, those instances stand apart for a reason, and you know that.

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          russia is better than the US

          Sorry, that’s just objectively wrong. Both are bad, but Russia is nowhere close to the us.

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            wtf are you talking about. does russia get anywhere CLOSE to this?

            please scroll though that list and let it sink in on the absolutely cruel evil shit the US has been doing for the last century or so.

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              Oh yeah, the soviet union nevvvvvver involved themselves in coups. That’s something only evil westerners do.

              (Please don’t looked at the history of Africa, or southern/southeat Asia during the cold war.

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                the soviet union has ended 30 years ago and its internationalist policies stopped way before that.

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              Trust me, I’ve been following this stuff as well. I am no fan of america, but saying its better than russia is just objectively bad.

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                and i’m literally on the receiving end of US and european imperialism. the US sponsored a brutal military dictatorship in my country and on most of our neighbours, and still sponsors the plundering of our natural resources and workforce. shit, they tried to put a dictator in power in here recently, we barely escaped.

                modern-day russia doesn’t have as much influence throughout the world, nor does it have as bloody military by a big margin.

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                  What the U.S did was terrible, obviously. That should go without saying.

                  Although, I’m pretty sure Russia does have influence, with all the troll farms and whatnot.

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          china is not a dictatorship.

          Dictator: one holding complete autocratic control.

          Yeah, I think it is.

          russia is better than the US.

          Well, at least you’re admitting what I said is true. I could argue with you, but it doesn’t matter. The fact isn’t even if it’s better than the US. I never made a statement on that. Your people are apologists for Russia and defend it’s invasion of a sovereign nation. Can you agree with me that’s bad? No whataboutisms or anything. Just admit it is bad.

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        not many leftists (even marxist-leninists like myself) want things to be exactly like in the soviet union. firstly because conditions were different back then, secondly because they were the very first socialist experiment and made many mistakes despite their great advancements. theres also the fact that period was heavily propagandized to westerners, making for a biased view of what it was.

        we learned a lot since then and socialism is supposed to be adapted to the will of the people and current material conditions. every socialist country does things differently. as a south american i personally like the latin american attempts and would love to see them grow uninmpeded by imperialism.

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            For starting to think about it: I think the chilean attempt by Salvador Allende was quite good, although he made the mistake of thinking the US wouldn’t be able to interfere, or rather he underestimated his challenges moving forward. I like the political system in modern-day Cuba and what theyve been able to achieve despite not having much, and sacrificing quite a bit for the revolution. Would love to see what they make of themselves without a blockade, but the comparison with Haiti is already striking as it is.

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      Your comment made no sense at first. And then I checked comment counts on other instances 😀

      No drama in this corner of the fediverse :)

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    Ex-Redditor reporting for duty. Thank-you for being a friend 🫡

    Y’all need to work on getting r/popculture here - from Kardashian posts to getting SLAMMED for supporting Luigi is the journey we all need to be on.

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    Having anti capitalistic views in the fediverse is so important in times like this. Excluding the putin shills ofc.