Locking while we sift through all the reports.
No stupid questions, right? What do they do?
Basically, Tankies are authoritarian bootlickers pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend/just western propganda.
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle. So, many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Because of that, and a lot of the lemmy support forums being on .ml, they tend to get handled with “kid gloves” more or less by most instances.
You can check out [email protected] or [email protected] and https://lemmy.world/post/26416571 https://lemmy.world/post/26047186 if you want to see more.
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Thanks! TIL I have a tankie in my extended family lol. Whenever we’ve talked about Russia/Ukraine or really anything, the response is ‘but what about the dems!’. Its weird to have someone who’s educated and seems quite rational in most ways actually believe that the pre-trump US was worse than Russia, where you really can’t be a journalist without falling out of a window. Another of their favourite arguments is ‘stop imposing your western values onto other cultures who don’t want them’ SMH. Still, I’d choose a tankie over a MAGA.
Still, I’d choose a tankie over a MAGA.
Low bar, but yeah.
Huh, so they do exist IRL lmao, you got yourself a unicorn lolol most of us have only ever encountered them online (Knowingly at least)
What’s the Seal instance? 🤔
Touch grass nerd
Don’t forget Blahaj.Zone as they’re awesome too! Here’s to having 10k folks🍻
Sorry. Not awesome. They are more ban happy than the tankies. I’m fairly sure I got banned for referring to a keyboard as a “bad boy”. Either that or somebody was playing ban roulette.
I got banned for calling someone naive when they said they were going to vote third party last year lmao
Lmao what. Blahaj is just as bad as hexbear.
Tbf the admins of lemmy.ml are the ones who actually develop the service. They deserve our thanks also.
Thank Dessalines for Lemmy and Jerboa
People who name themselves after genocidal warlords can make some pretty good software
That’s why the future is piefed. Lemmy is just one activitypub app.
I can thank them for their development efforts, but not on how they run their instance.
‘I would like to enjoy the benefits of collective efforts without supporting the political ideology that makes it possible in the first place.’
What makes it possible is the material conditions.
This can be done under right wing libertarianism as well. Or general green people. Idk.
A society based on worship of individualism is diametrically opposed to collective efforts.
I’m thinking more about self hosting, though.
That “ideology” is authoritarianism
- Understanding Siege Socialism - Gabriel Rockhill joins to talk about a controversial concept for Western socialists: “siege socialism”. A term coined by the great Michael Parenti.
- Third World Socialism in an Imperialist World - Rebuttal to Worthless First World Lib ‘Lefties’ - Liberal imperialists first worlders who vote for Joe Biden while calling themselves ‘socialists’ love to attack every remotely successful left-of-liberal revolution in the third world - here’s why they’re wrong (they’re also racist)
- Western Marxism & Imperialism, with John Bellamy Foster & Gabriel Rockhill - Please join us for a webinar to discuss the dialogue between John Bellamy Foster and Gabriel Rockhill on “Western Marxism and Imperialism,” published in the March issue of Monthly Review: https://monthlyreview.org/2025/03/01/western-marxism-and-imperialism-a-dialogue/
Spamming links with quotes that are unrelated?
The point was that the tankie triad are authoritarian, that’s just a fact
“authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs. Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.
“authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs.
Not how I’m using it here, which is a direct comment on how a Lemmy instance is run. If you want to pretend the tankie triad aren’t authoritarian then you’re too stupid to discuss anything with, honestly
Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.
No, I haven’t, I’m one of the filthy socialists who argue in favor of many of the ideas of those regimes. You just see someone pointing out the bad of the tankie triad and make assumptions that I’m not firmly on the left and just disgusted by how high they are on the compass compared to me
What did the “authoritarian” Lemmy instances do, make you eat your spinach? 😂
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cmon we just want capitalism to die already 🥺
by supporting capitalist regimes
Same, but I also think killing average working people for no reason makes you a bad person.
socialism = murdering innocent civilians is a propaganda trope. who would want that?
Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime
Libertarian socialism
Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.
socialism is, by definition, more democratic than any capitalist regime because it can’t work if people don’t want it. it also provides an excellent framework for overthrowing capitalism.
if not that, then what do you want it replaced with?
This conversation is great.
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I agree with the dog. So I must like this right?
that just means you will be completely ineffective.
to falling to propoganda
… or snapping out of it. seriously, if you live in the US you have Hollywood right by your doorstep. take a moment to investigate leftism further than what their common sense is, and you will see its nothing like that. also note not i’m not saying its perfect either, but we are constantly learning.
the owner class engages in class warfare whether we decide to believe in it or not.
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anti communist
uses edgelord slurs
Not beating the reactionary allegations.
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No, a lot of users, especially on Lemmygrad, support Russia and their invasion, for example. Hexbear supports China’s dictator. Most .ml I’ve interacted with are also on Russia’s side.
Don’t act like the only thing is anti-capitalism. That’d be fine. It’s everywhere on the fediverse. No, those instances stand apart for a reason, and you know that.
china is not a dictatorship. russia is better than the US.
russia is better than the US
Sorry, that’s just objectively wrong. Both are bad, but Russia is nowhere close to the us.
wtf are you talking about. does russia get anywhere CLOSE to this?
please scroll though that list and let it sink in on the absolutely cruel evil shit the US has been doing for the last century or so.
Oh yeah, the soviet union nevvvvvver involved themselves in coups. That’s something only evil westerners do.
(Please don’t looked at the history of Africa, or southern/southeat Asia during the cold war.
the soviet union has ended 30 years ago and its internationalist policies stopped way before that.
Trust me, I’ve been following this stuff as well. I am no fan of america, but saying its better than russia is just objectively bad.
America is way more democratic.
and i’m literally on the receiving end of US and european imperialism. the US sponsored a brutal military dictatorship in my country and on most of our neighbours, and still sponsors the plundering of our natural resources and workforce. shit, they tried to put a dictator in power in here recently, we barely escaped.
modern-day russia doesn’t have as much influence throughout the world, nor does it have as bloody military by a big margin.
What the U.S did was terrible, obviously. That should go without saying.
Although, I’m pretty sure Russia does have influence, with all the troll farms and whatnot.
china is not a dictatorship.
Dictator: one holding complete autocratic control.
Yeah, I think it is.
russia is better than the US.
Well, at least you’re admitting what I said is true. I could argue with you, but it doesn’t matter. The fact isn’t even if it’s better than the US. I never made a statement on that. Your people are apologists for Russia and defend it’s invasion of a sovereign nation. Can you agree with me that’s bad? No whataboutisms or anything. Just admit it is bad.
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Same, I just don’t want it to be like the soviet union.
not many leftists (even marxist-leninists like myself) want things to be exactly like in the soviet union. firstly because conditions were different back then, secondly because they were the very first socialist experiment and made many mistakes despite their great advancements. theres also the fact that period was heavily propagandized to westerners, making for a biased view of what it was.
we learned a lot since then and socialism is supposed to be adapted to the will of the people and current material conditions. every socialist country does things differently. as a south american i personally like the latin american attempts and would love to see them grow uninmpeded by imperialism.
Do you have any links about the latin-american ones? Google isn’t giving me anything useful.
For starting to think about it: I think the chilean attempt by Salvador Allende was quite good, although he made the mistake of thinking the US wouldn’t be able to interfere, or rather he underestimated his challenges moving forward. I like the political system in modern-day Cuba and what theyve been able to achieve despite not having much, and sacrificing quite a bit for the revolution. Would love to see what they make of themselves without a blockade, but the comparison with Haiti is already striking as it is.
Remember when I told you to keep it easy on the memes against .ml, hexbear and grad a few days ago? 😄
Fuck Tankies, all my homies Hate Tankies
I hate Illinois tankies.
It really has been weeks though js, and it was more thrown in, the thanks is genuine 😅LMAO
Would have probably been better with purely thanks and no diss attempt in the middle 😄
But that’s not the meme?
Could have put Spez or whoever else everyone here despise
So… You’re okay with the format and the insults, as long as it’s not against tankies?
Are lemmy.ml allies of Lemmy or not?
I respect the Lemmy devs as devs, I don’t like them as instance admins, but I don’t try to throw crap at time everytime I can.
Doesn’t prevent me from growing [email protected] , [email protected] , [email protected]
We can disagree without throwing each other under the bus
That’s a good point to make as much as I disagree with their political beliefs they do not deserve to have extra stress in their lives especially when they’re not being properly compensated for all the work they do as only 0.6/3 devs on the team are actually funded from donations, further worsened by the fact they need to split the funding amongst themselves.
I respect the Lemmy devs as devs, I don’t like them as instance admins, but I don’t try to throw crap at time everytime I can.
“Please don’t throw crap at people denying genocides and atrocities”
We can disagree without throwing each other under the bus
“Agree to disagree” is a civility politics take that has no place when dealing with genocide denial.
Would have been better if you stopped complaining.
Aggressive comment, in line with your modlog https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=870550
8 months ago and a year ago aren’t exactly recent examples
Plus one is complaining about the title being a word salad and the other one is a reply to a deleted comment. I may have been out of line, but I’m not going to own up to that without knowing the context.
165 comments.
Lmao wonder what happened here
Your comment made no sense at first. And then I checked comment counts on other instances 😀
No drama in this corner of the fediverse :)
Aw, I like talking to you libs. ✌️
Having anti capitalistic views in the fediverse is so important in times like this. Excluding the putin shills ofc.
That’s what most people generally agree with.
Opposing western wars is not being “pro Putin.”
It’s slowly starting to look like the next great influx as seen from Fedecan stats.
I’m just here because Boost finally stopped working for Reddit.
The straw that breaks the camel’s back!
Welcome!
September forever!
Ex-Redditor reporting for duty. Thank-you for being a friend 🫡
Y’all need to work on getting r/popculture here - from Kardashian posts to getting SLAMMED for supporting Luigi is the journey we all need to be on.
Make yourself at home!
Welcome to Lemmy, here are a few pointers to help you settle in
Ty - subbed to both. Will look now.
Welcome!
We’ll go down the road and back again.
Tankie triad represent
The other 2 are explicitly communist but I’d never assume a lemmy.ml user is a tankie.
People who chose the thing run by the people who make the thing gang rise up
This post is complaining about disinformation being censored, which is good. Every website should censor disinformation regardless of source.
What disinformation?
The imgur album linked in the comment is almost 100% disinformation once it starts describing the alleged atrocities.
Is the disinformation that China does acknowledge the massacre?
The first removed comment shown in the post is someone falsely claiming that China has “constant efforts to pretend it didn’t happen”
The linked imgur album is also full of outright disinformation about the incident.
falsely claiming that China has “constant efforts to pretend it didn’t happen”
art thou trollingeth, knave?
No, they’re a tankie who wants to pretend they’re not
Should read more about your instance admin and consider changing instances. I know I won’t support that asshole
“that asshole” has been working below minimum wage, one unexpected financial burden away from homelessness, for the last four years to bring you Lemmy for free
What I’m saying is even if you disagree with his views, on the things that actually impact you, he’s been a great positive in your life
Just because someone does a selfless act, does not mean that they have carte blanche to spout dangerous misinformation and propaganda
What Dessalines spouts is by and large uncomfortable truths that are paved over by Western government misinformation and propaganda, your reaction is that of someone clinging to the lies they were raised with rather than accepting the truth.
I’ll be sure to tell the families of those who died in Tiananmen Square that that was all just “western government misinformation”
find me a post/comment where Dessalines denies that Tiananmen Square ever happened
Dessalines, right? I happen upon a lot of his Github issue threads on libraries that i use, which i think is interesting when i recognize the account. He seems normal there.
Other than that, looking at his Lemmy profile, it seems he gets into a lot of political arguments on subjects that i don’t know much about - i can’t tell if he’s unjustly hateful towards any group. I have heard he bans people a lot over these disagreements, which isn’t cool so i think your sentiment is fair.
Currently my only issue with .ml is the profanity filter but i don’t know anything about the other instances either. I imagine this conversation has been had a lot already but if i’m on Lemmy either way, what’s the difference in terms of support? If he’s a dick, i’d probably rather just switch to Kbin or PieFed
[email protected] if you want to learn more about their (and the rest of the Tankie Triad’s) shenanigans. Though you’ll need to view it through another instance, because .ml blocks it to prevent their own users from seeing it. Talk about censorship LMAO
I got so many tanks man
Hey, how are you here? Please tell davel to stop screwing with my site ban and fix it.
I don’t want to lose my achievement :(
