• KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I had never heard about the “Network State” concept before, but now I hate it, because Zuckerberg sure as hell loves it

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      It’s fascist city states that market themselves as tax free libertarian, likely hedonistic. Tech has little (maybe ultra deregulated healthcare) to do with anything other than billionaires who came from tech get to decide who is allowed in. This is a model in Israel and Arab kingdoms with less hedonism, but high slavery levels.

      The US is definitely on path to collapse. Current administration is accelerating it. Gifting federal lands to become tax havens is setting it to 11.

      Many of these tech bros also talk about an actual solution: Freedom dividends. High tax libertarianism with freedom for all. Power redistribution. Don’t compete for jobs we can’t do as well as China or robots. Or spend on/promote war. Freedom dividends ends crimes and makes fair labour markets. Fascism and slavery as the “libertarian utopian phoenix from ashes of US” is going to be straight mad max fascism and slavery instead of utopia.

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    This man has a bunker and everything. He’s scared shitless and he is ready to hide. Their assets need to be seized and accounts drained

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      That’s not a joke, ALL these dudes have extensive doomsday prep. Secure facilities, staffed and stocked. There’s a ton of reporting on it. They’re gonna fare a LOT better than we are if shit gets really outta hand. Unless we do something about them before it gets to that point, anyway.

      Edit: added a detail

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        If you had billions, wouldn’t you have a prepper facility? Even if there were no global warming or political upheaval, it’s common sense when you have money like that.

        “Hey, want to build a doomsday shelter for .0001% of your net worth?”

        “Meh, why not.”

        They don’t necessarily have to see bad times coming is my point.

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          I would too, but I would also be worried about the idea of being sealed in. Concrete is cheap. So is welding and thermite.

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          No? If I ACTUALLY wanted to ride out through some sort of apocalypse, a bunker ain’t gonna cut it. I would bankroll and actively participate in a fully self-sustaining off-the-grid community. Rich people always forget the second part, probably because they are psychopaths. Remember that article where they were asking about putting shock collars on their bunker security guys? If they literally just got beers with them once a week, they’d probably shoot all the migrants you ask them to. It’s an irony that they consider their time ‘too valuable’ for that, as it turns out that the one thing you can’t buy is a sense of community.

          Of course, I would endeavor to not own several billion dollars of stolen property in the first place, but different strokes.

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          You are correct, but also when you look at the aggregate of their behavior and goals (both stated and implied) you have to reach the conclusion that they WANT to use the bunker. Or want a scenario in which it becomes useful.

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      His bunker on a Hawaiian Island. Dude really wants to be far away from everything when shit pops off.

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        What I’m hearing is that after we overthrow the government and Destroy capitalism we have to dig him out of a bunker in Hawaii and put him on trial

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          dig him out of a bunker in Hawaii and put him on trial

          Just weld the door closed. Problem solved.

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          Or, hold a trial, and if convicted, we seal him in his bunker and bury it and cut it off from all outside contact. And depending on the severity of his conviction, plugging up every “air hole” could go along as capital punishment. Give him a very twilight zone ending, he wanted to hide in his bunker, and now he’ll spend the rest of his life in it, however long that may be.

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        Bunker on a tropical island you say? Don’t worry, I know of some people that have some notes on that. Any secrets he has about that thing are practically out by now.

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          This is either a shit post or I’m looking at something glowing radioactive hot and I can’t tell which.

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      The native Hawaiians should reclaim their land he stole so he doesn’t have a bunker anymore

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    Streisand effect: I had never heard of the “network state” until now. Uh, thanks for being such an asshole, Zuck!

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    Corporations can’t even run corporations well. That’s one of the lessons we should’ve took from 2008.

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      Let’s not forget how we got here though cause if we do forget & survive this round, won’t be long before it comes back. I’m specifically referring to the pro-genocide candidate that we were all lied to about their cognition until we all saw the emperor had no clothes. Then they anointed the Cheney supporter that couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently.

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          Lol. Capitalism isn’t going away anytime soon. Democrats absolutely could have won if they actually stood for anything other than themselves.

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            Sure, but a big part of why they don’t do better is they want to continue the capitalist hellscape where a few people benefit from “owning” most everything.

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              Because that is the system people are subscribed to. You want big change & to take on capitalism you need a V for Vendetta. The system is built on capitalism. The best chance we’d prob have right now to take on capitalism is someone with a popular agenda that is good at acting, but once elected as President they basically say… Ha, now I’m immune & will use my platform to try to get rid of capitalism. They’d probably get assassinated real quick though. Or a complete collapse of the system.

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                Maybe. We can still try to work on multiple things at the same time.

                Demand more from the Democrats.

                Fight the right wing.

                Push for better systems.

                No one’s going to wave a magic wand and fix everything. though it would be funny to me if more billionaires were murdered , that’s not really likely or safe.

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                It’s called building dual power, and many of us are actually doing things every day to further that goal.

                The best chance we’d prob have right now to take on capitalism is someone with a popular agenda that is good at acting, but once elected as President they basically say… Ha, now I’m immune & will use my platform to try to get rid of capitalism […] Or [cause] a complete collapse of the system.

                Is this sarcastic? Because that’s literally what we’re witnessing. We may have a chance at building a better world with better systems very soon.

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                  Not if the same establishment Democrats get reelected then claim their hands are tied whenever Republicans try their usual antics.

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        fair, but Harris would have won without election rigging. Voter suppression and forced provisional ballots that were never counted.

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    The idea isn’t necessarily tied to oligarchy or fascism or anything like that. It originates in the early ideals of the Internet where people hoped its anarchic energy could be a force for freedom. Things have not really shaken out like that, e.g. the net ended up being dominated by tech giants rather than a profileration of small websites, and China’s Great Firewall showed how states can put swathes of the internet under their thumb after all. But some of us still buy into some of that spirit (though the Network State idea itself is unrealistic). Heck, Lemmy and the Fediverse are a part of that.

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      I agree. Coming together to build something scientifical or technological that doesn’t involve the government doesn’t necessarily mean coming up with corporate money to fund and exclude everyone but their personal interests.

      This is a social endeavor like any other. You can’t blaim bringing people together for the corporate interests of this kind of enterprise (the Network State).

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      what an outrageously obtuse and factually devoid take.

      congrats, you win the award for worst oversimplification I’ve ever read.

      you can’t do much with the award. Then again I can’t do much with whatever you posted, so I guess that makes us even.

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      We edge closer to Weyland-Yutani hegemony every day, only the IRL technocrats will be stupider and greedier

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        Humanity: invents capitalism government

        Engineers: Hold my dark fluid, I’ve got a mistake to fix

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      Peter thiel* is a bigger puppet master, he just doesn’t want to be the face. He wants the world to collapse so he can rebuild it into his techno feudalism dream. This is all to plan

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    Delete your facebook products.

    If you know someone who works at facebook, try to convince them to leave.

    If you see someone who’s in a leadership position at Facebook bleeding out, perhaps after a car accident because their brakes were sabotaged, let them die.

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      i wish. if i delete whatsapp ill be completely isolated. sadly they cornered the entire market in my country including sms.

      it would unironically take a big outage for everyone to move though. heres hoping an industrious hacker is willing to paint that kind of target on their own back.

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        i’ve been trying to get people to switch platforms for years. it’s not easy. if only people cared more about things than they want convenience…

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    The Network State is just feudalism updated to accommodate a new set of vile and toxic elitist shitheads.