Where is the outrage? Where have all the “humans” gone? Israel slaughtered over 400 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.

None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.

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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp

I’m tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human

They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before

That which cannot be found I desire

Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی‌ گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست

گفتند یافت می‌ نشود جسته‌ ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می‌ نشود آنم آرزوست
#poetry #Rumi #Gaza #Inhumanity #Death #politics #Israel #Genocide #WarCrime
@[email protected] @[email protected] @israel @iran

    • alkbch@lemmy.ml
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      19 hours ago

      They don’t care about things that do not impact them, or people near them.

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        10 hours ago

        It has been clearly demonstrated that vocal opposition to one of those things gets you disappeared by ICE

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          How many American citizens have been disappeared by ICE?

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            Saying that the right to protest is exclusive to citizens is certainly an… interesting stance…

            But looking just at citizens: ICE has already harassed and arrested scores of citizens based on racial profiling. The agency deported as many as 70 citizens during Trump’s first term.

            There have been allegations of more US citizen deportations in these first 3 months of his presidency. I can dredge up those examples if you’d like, but don’t have them readily on hand.

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              What does “70 potential U.S. citizens” mean? Were they U.S. citizens or not?

              I’m not saying the right to protest is exclusive to citizens, I am saying the excuse of potentially being disappeared by ICE does not apply to the vast majority of people.

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                The investigators found that neither ICE nor U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) maintain good enough records to determine just how many people the agencies arrested or deported in error.

                It’s like 6 sentences in.

                We’ve already narrowed that vast majority down quite a bit, I would bet anything that a visa (much less a green card) holder wouldn’t face this much retaliation in October 2023.

                There are about 50 million foreign-born residents in America, so in 3 months this administration has frozen the political voice of ~15% of the population.

                They make up ~20% of the working age population, so if you’re someone in the get-out-and-protest demographic that gives you decent odds of it theoretically not ending poorly. I guess you could say that’s a vast majority, but it was nearly 100% before.

                We’re on pace for 50% suppression by the end of the year (20% silenced in a single quarter) and punishment will certainly be retroactive. You can understand the dilemma of 50/50 future odds you end up in jail for exercising your constitutional rights.

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                  What do you mean by foreign-born residents? Plenty of Americans are “foreign-born residents”

                  How do you figure 50% suppression by the end of the year?

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                    People with Visas, permanent residents and immigrants. The administration’s argument for the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil explicitly states that his residency rights are void since “we didn’t know he was a Terrorist at the time”. You can extend that argument to literally any foreign born individual.

                    50% is napkin projection based on 20% suppression every three months (0.803). Obviously it makes a lot of assumptions but the crackdowns haven’t slowed yet, much less plateaued. I mentioned it to show how tenuous opposition can get even for “safe” demographics.

                    The administration is already posturing for this suppression: labeling vague groups like antifa as terrorists, threatening funding for universities fostering protests, statements about “illegal protests”, invoking the Alien Enemies Act, etc… It’s not a huge leap to extrapolate to how sweeping these measures will be.

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      I’m kinda still salty about letting agent orange back in the wh but what would you like me to do? I’m not really that knowledgeable on the subject so it’s kinda difficult for me to form an argument other than, “let’s not kill people.” If that’s your advise I’ll give it a try. Again.

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      It affects them so you know what they will care and removed about.
      They are even worse than maga bcs they’re so disgustingly self absorbed and pretentious they think they are on the right side.
      I really hope they get what they deserve.

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        Ukraine affects me as a fellow European.

        I’m not on the right side, I just want my family to live in peace.

        Tariffs don’t matter. The energy crisis didn’t matter. COVID restrictions didn’t matter. Those are just economic struggles.

        It’s safety that matters most.

        Israel has been expanding their territory over the past century, it has been well covered by the media every time there’s stuff happening. I remember Israeli taking the home of a Palestine family and the Palestinians just had to leave. This was a few years prior to the Hamas shooting at a festival.

        If governments weren’t handling Ukraine situation, energy crisis, COVID, etc. Then nothing would be happening.

        There’s people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.

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          It’s safety that matters most.

          There is nothing less safe than the US/NATO fueled paranoia and warmongering Russophobia.
          And the spineless governments of EU aren’t handling anything.
          They do everything the US tells them to in the case of ex-ukraine or israel.
          Nothing but vasals.
          That they are sad now bcs their owner doesn’t respect them while they’ve been such obedient little helpers will not change anything.
          All it is is embarrassing.
          People fail to see Europe’s place in the food chain, our media certainly won’t admit this.
          And neither will they admit the consequences.
          What they, and you as a result from their BS reporting, mislabel as ‘energy crisis’ is a direct result from sanctions and the pure US terrorist act of blowing up Nordstream.
          You better believe that matters.
          It means we can’t compete economically, companies are relocating and we will be in massive trouble.
          And to make it worse they double down and decide to spend even more money we haven’t got on US weapons.
          Who do you think will have to pay for that?
          And all it does is get ups a step closer to war and put a large part of the population in poverty.
          And I mean poverty like never seen before.
          Well maybe not never since the situation is exactly like the 1930’s.
          And it will have the same result.
          Angry population voting for extreme right.
          The last step before we’re ready to be sent to the Ostfront again.

          There’s people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.

          Sure, about 50, the rest of the apathetic youth is gazing at their phone.

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            We didn’t invade Ukraine, Russia did.

            We have quite a lot of money. We can definitely invest in defense, and we will.

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              Who organised the fascist coup?
              Who started the ethnic cleansing of the Russian speaking population in the east and south?
              No better than saying israel got attacked on oct 7 for no reason and nothing ever happened before.
              O yes we have so much money we have to work longer, get our pensions stolen and much more just for fun.
              Our industry is in a recession from those great sanctions.
              55% of companies report they are losing jobs, and getting worse every day.
              You really live in a fantasy world.

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                Organised what coup, zelenksyy won with 73% of the votes in 2019.

                We have to work longer because our oldies stopped having children. That’s just how it works. if you didn’t spend your money on having a child, then use it for your pension.

                Our stoxx 600 has been doing well lately.

                Median net wealth of my country Belgium is 250k euros per adult.

                i’m educated, have job security, it has never been this easy to do investments at low cost.

                2023 and 2024 have been good years, stoxx 600 increased about 20 to 25% in value. The economic downturn was 2022.

                In Belgium more and more people are getting jobs. Our employment rate keeps increasing.

                https://tradingeconomics.com/belgium/employment-rate#%3A~%3Atext=Employment+Rate+in+Belgium+averaged%2Csource%3A+EUROSTAT

                In 10 years it has increased from 62 to 67%

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      This is sadly how mainstream liberals have always behaved. I remember when all the anti-war folks seemed to disappear into thin air once Obama got elected. I guess extrajudicial drone strikes are cool when Democrats do it.

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        This is exactly the problem with lumping in everyone who is not a Trump supporter as “liberals”. You end up with this completely misguided impression of who “liberals” are and what “liberals” do. It’s become a meaningless term.

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          Seems to be a common feature of US politics that words lose their meanings and become distorted into vague aspersions about categories of people, which in practice take on the meaning of “the enemy” or at least “the other”, words degraded so that their main purpose is to divide.

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            It’s because our two party system (and our education system …) doesn’t allow you to have nuance or more than one or two issues that you vote on.

            Criticizing Obama for drone strikes only ends up enabling the turn-the-middle-East-into-a-glass-parking-lot people (to bring back 2010 talking points). Similarly, to point out that Biden wasn’t nearly tough enough on Netanyahu (he tried to grow a couple vertebrae of a backbone approximately twice) only ends up enabling the “Remember the Abraham Accords? Trump/Kushner a jew-whisperer!” argument.

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          Liberals as in a supporter of liberal or neoliberal economics, the Democratic Party is neoliberal. There were absolutely liberals who would justify the US striking Yemeni civilians and civilian infrastructure (like the commercial airport) as “FAFO, get rekt terrorists” because the Houthis had the morally correct position of imposing a blockade to apply pressure on the US and Israel to end the genocide. Which the Houthis followed through and stopped implementing the blockade during the ceasefire. All in the context of Yemen being under a US-Saudi-Israeli backed genocide that’s been ongoing for years.