• SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    22 hours ago

    when the rich can just live on investment income

    How do you think they make that money? Primarily off of consumerism. If we all collectively decided to share what we have and stop buying what we don’t need, there could be no passive income, not at the scale it exists today, anyways.

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      17 hours ago

      We also need to outlaw landlords. Owning land is not a job and it’s certainly not a business.

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        15 hours ago

        I think landlords make a lot of sense for commercially-zoned property, and for residentially there needs to be some way to live somewhere even if you can’t afford the mortgage deposit. So there’s nuance here that needs addressing IMO.

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            5 hours ago

            Do people get to choose where they live in this scenario, or do we just allocate housing based on where’s currently unoccupied?

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              25 minutes ago

              People don’t really get to choose where they live now. If you mean choosing from a list of vacancies, then sure, I don’t see why not.

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                People do kinda pick where they are though? If there’s some unoccupied housing in Denver, but you’re living in Austin it’s not necessarily useful, that’s what I meant. I agree in principle on social housing, but there would probably need to be some kind of associated projects – either new construction or housing where ppl live but there isn’t enough accommodation, or new jobs created in areas with surplus, or both… And then you also need to think about local amenities (shops, hospitals, parks, schools, that sort of SimCity thing)

                Sorry, I might have come across as if I fully disagreed with the notion, but I really don’t - I just think that the idea only works with a more integrated policy.

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              I think under a UBI scenario, people should get to pick the city they want to reside in, then get assigned a public housing unit(s) for their immediate family. They can also be provided free public transport, and a basic UBI vehicle with free fuel.

              Ideally, people would have a bedrock of UBI services to rely upon for their wellbeing, and money is turned into something solely used for lifestyle upgrades: Buying a house of the quality, size, and location you want, a fancier non-UBI car, brand-name food or supplies, private school, ect.

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      20 hours ago

      Consumerism is used for wealth redistribution.

      Real wealth production occurs when machines create work, saving time. Work = money.

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      22 hours ago

      I guess? With enough money you can just buy bonds, which sort of depend on consumerism but indirectly. Some municipal bonds return like 5%. 5% of a shit load of money is enough to live on.