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Dystopian.
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These weird, creepy attempts at upboarding onto AI, sound like they are projecting FOMO onto people, for profit, of course.
I like AI, but we are still in the biplane era of development. It will take a long time before it can handle most things, let alone unsupervised.
If Shopify goes follows through with imitating Musk’s stupidity, I expect the company to end up as a case study.
Well, first the CEO is asking for proof of a negative, so anyone with a logical brain cell just has to shake their head and repeat “it’s for the paycheck.”
We can assume CEO means “show me you tried to use AI and it’s not working well enough,” which isn’t all that bad of a directive but it’s got the huge gaps of “do your people really know how to use AI?” and “are they using the correct, latest versions of AI for the task they are attempting?” But, it may stand up a few use cases for AI that would have otherwise used expensive meat sacks to do what must be fairly boring rote recitation work if they can be adequately replaced by AI.
The problem comes when senseless metrics get pushed down that amount to: a certain number of AI projects must be greenlighted, regardless of how dreadful they are in practice.
AI is a tool, it can save labor, it can relieve human employees of tedious work, it can’t do everything. All this “big personality” top level management of large and very large organizations with broad stroke metrics leads to mass stupidity when the underlings blindly follow orders, and I suspect - within its limitations - AI will always follow orders, so getting AI into middle management will only magnify the idiocrazy.
thats a golden opportunity for some sweet malicious compliance.
let ai fuck your codebase then spend the invariably long time you’d need to fix it. punish their money for being dumb.
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Why do I get the feeling that the hot new thing for CEOs to do is ask AI whenever they need to make a decision. Would explain a lot.
We hit rock bottom a long time ago: https://dealbreaker.com/2007/10/icahn-explains-why-are-there-so-many-idiots-running-shit It takes power tools to make progress in the bedrock.
Someone somewhere is already asking whether a CEO’s job can be done by AI.
Funny I was just wondering the other day if companies that practice vibe programming also practice vibe management.
Vibe management (and investment) is a time honored tradition. It brings you such magnificent results as Theranos.
I know for certain the CEO at my company is like that. Not even how or why to do something, but what we should do. Fucking mental
Hey Tobi, why do need to pay you any bonus moving forward? What did you do the AI couldn’t?
Id tell them I can get AI to do anything they want. They’re the ones who will be paying for me to spend not hours but days tweaking prompts to get whatever shit they want done that could’ve been done faster cheaper and better with appropriate resources so fuck it I’m in.
Shopify is a stupid fucking name. I can only assume the company and service is equally as stupid.
Define stupid: https://www.google.com/search?q=shopify+financials
Are you trolling or have you really never heard of shopify? Prolly every ecommerce website you’ve ever visited was built by either wix, big commerce or shopify with shopify (iirc) holding the largest market share of the 3. That may have changed since I last looked at adding e-commerce builders to my investment portfolio but theyre definitely top 3.
Next thing you know he’s going to say WordPress isn’t used by anyone.
It’s being used by less people now because their CEO is a fucking idiot who’s trying to destroy it.
I’ve heard the (stupid) name before but had no idea what they did. Not everyone on Lemmy works in tech or has investment portfolios… But it sounds like if I’ve bought something online I’ve probably used them before?
Yep. You’ve probably heard of square space, shopify is similar. All the online small businesses I know use it, and many larger ones too
I develop AI agents rn as part time for my work and have yet to see one that can perform a real task unsupervised on their own. It’s not what agents are made for at all - they’re only capable of being an assistant or annotate, summarize data etc. Which is very useful but in an entirely different context.
No agent can create features or even reliably fix bugs on their own yet and probably not for next few years at least. This is because having a dude at 50$ hour is much more reliable than any AI agent long term. If you need to roll back a regression bug introduced by an AI agent it’ll cost you 10-20 developer hours as minimum which negates any value you’ve gained already. Now you spent 1,000$ fix for your 50$ agent run where a person could have done that for 200$. Not to mention regression bugs are so incredibly expensive to fix and maintain so it’ll all scale exponentially. Not to mention liability of not having human oversight - what if the agent stops working? You’ll have to onboarding someone on an entire code base which would take days as very minimum.
So his take on ai agents doing work is pretty dumb for the time being.
That being said, AI tool use proficiency test is very much unavoidable, I don’t see any software company not using AI assistants so anyone who doesn’t will simply not get hired. Its like coding in notepad - yeah you can do it but its not a signal you want to send to your team cause you’d look stupid.
Honestly, AI coding assistants (as in the ones working like auto-complete in the code editor) are very close to useless unless maybe you work in one of those languages like Java that are extremely verbose and lack expressiveness. I tried using a few of them for a while but it got to the point where I forgot to turn them on a few times (they do take up too much VRAM to keep running when not in use) and I didn’t even notice any productivity problems from not having them available.
That said, conversational AI can sometimes be quite useful to figure out which library to look at for a given task or how to approach a problem.
Honestly, AI coding assistants (as in the ones working like auto-complete in the code editor) are very close to useless unless maybe you work in one of those languages like Java that are extremely verbose and lack expressiveness.
Hard disagree. They’re not writing anything on their own, no, but my stack saves at least 75% of my time, and I work full-stack across pieces in 5 different languages.
Cursor + Claude was the latest big shift for me, maybe two months ago? If you haven’t tried them, it was a huge bump in utility
If you spend 75% of your time writing code you are in a highly unusual coding position. Most programmers spend a very high percentage of their time understanding the problem domain and on other parts of figuring out requirements and translating them into something resembling some sort of semi-formal understanding of what the program actually needs to do. The low level detailed code writing is very rarely a bottleneck.
Let’s all just make new companies that are unionized-cooperatives bringing all our coworkers into them
In this example that CEO isn’t needed
CEOs are obsolete
AI is pretty good at spouting bullshit but it doesn’t have the same giant ego that human CEOs have so resources previously spent on coddling the CEO can be spent on something more productive. Not to mention it is a lot less effort to ignore everything an AI CEO says.
AI can replace CEOs and usher in a new business model where companies are co-operative based
Should ask the AI model if a CEO is required
should just be a matter of saying “AI can’t do this job because it can’t properly do any job”. could even make that your email signature.
Former shopify employee here. Tobi is scum, and surrounds himself with scum. He looks up to Elon and genuinely admires him.
Shame, because I used to actually admire how he handled layoffs. Was a far sight better (from outside looking in) than the “thanks, here’s one extra paycheck, send your laptop back at your expense please” I’d experienced
what laptop? ^* is what I said
Still have mine gathering dust when one american startup (went under already) laid me off 1 day before I had to be legally granted my equity shares and they had the audacity to ask me to arrange the return lmao
oh wow that’s grimey
Ah yes more paperwork is certainly going to make your employees more productive. Why don’t you also require them to prototype if kicking a rock against the wall 10 times does the job, instead of actually letting them do the job?
