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    Roses are red

    Violets are blue

    Oversimplified political apathy

    Is what gave you Trump 2

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        Democrats better not put forward candidates people are apathetic about then.

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          Responsibility lies with “The Democrats” (some sort of far away secret group that I can’t influence) and not with any American. If those Democrats can’t give me my perfect candidate, then I’ll just give up and let the fascists win. Also, I can’t figure out why they won’t do this–my ideal liberal candidate would appeal to the majority of Americans!

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            It is never the party’s job to appeal to voters. There is one designated party that is just owed support and should never have to craft another appeal besides “The Republicans can’t fill out the paperwork properly, that is why we will build the wall faster, put people in concentration camps at greater numbers, and do fascism better and more politely than the dumb, knuckle-dragging fascists”

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      No, Democrats and Liberals using Trump 2 as an excuse to be vocally pro-genocide and forcing people to accept pro-fascism is what caused Trump 2, since the party cannot fail only be failed by voters willing to accept fascism but not turned off by crude, ham-fisted forms of fascism. The problem, supposedly, is people that oppose Trump’s policies, rather than just needing the Trump policies being polite. It is the Democrat’s need to always adopt all of the previous Republican policies, and their only goal is being the Republicans, but polite. If Genocide and fascism is not a red line, but completely acceptable to support, as long as you can imagine another regime doing the genocide slightly worse, there is no evil you will not work for and support.

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        Voting is not a sign of support for everything the candidate does. It’s a choice for who you want to be in the position, and none of the above is not a possible outcome.

        Choosing to not vote means you’re choosing whoever the majority of voters pick

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      Or maybe, we can use this to protest and vote for political change. We cannot allow lobbies to buy politicians anymore, and campaign spending must be capped.

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    here’s an example for you to drive home why sentiment like this is dumb and creates false equivalencies. when I was 14, I worked at a grocery store. there were two managers that I would get scheduled with. they both sucked and were awful human beings. however, one was a known child predator. which one do you think I’d rather get scheduled with?

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            Honestly I’m wondering what part of what I said lead you to believe what you claim to believe I said? Do you believe that Biden was actually Netanyahu in disguise? Do you believe that the guy in office who wants to ship Gazans off to Egypt so he can build a resort on what was their homes?

            No, I think you believe that triggering Americans with false equivalencies is entertaining, and you’re probably right.

            What I’m having trouble with is deciding if you’re pushing this narrative for russia, to keep Americans distracted while krasnov disassembles the whole thing from inside, or if you’re supporting Israeli PR, making everyone look toward the big bad guy instead of the big bad guy

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              See, this is why I don’t consider BlueMAGA liberals to be any better than regular MAGA; they behave exactly the same. When challenged they start throwing out obviously absurd falsehood and playing dumb (like trying to claim Biden had no involvement in Isreal’s genocide, or that Biden didn’t propose ship the people of Gaza to Egypt before Trump ever did), not because they actually think any of it is true (nobody alive seriously believes that the Biden administration had nothing to do with Isreal’s genocide), but just to frustrate and annoy by wasting your time.

              They then immediately jump to accusing all who disagree with them of being secret agents of a grand Qanon-style conspiracy with lots of codenames and internet lore.

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          Oh, I get it, the .ml instance is where the r/conservatives went, I’m starting to figure out this fediverse stuff already!

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      The sentiment isn’t dumb. It’s true. The Democrats don’t give a fuck about us plebs. I voted for Harris and absolutely will vote for/choose the lesser evil as long as I’m still able. Doing so does not mean the Dems give any fucks about me.

      Remember when Bernie had real momentum behind him and the Dems sabotaged him because Hillary was determined to have her run at the presidency? If the Democratic party gave a fuck about the voting public they’d have gone whole hog behind Bernie.

      It the Dems cared about normies, they’d be doing more than performative filibusters that accomplish nothing. If the Democratic party cared they’d be throwing up every fucking roadblock they could to actually try and stop that motherfucker Trump and his fucking cronies.

      Are the Dems a better option than the Republicans? Yes. Do the Dems care about us? No. They’re just the less shitty choice.

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      Even with Biden exiting late, that was a winnable election and the dems botched it by trying to fit as much evil as they thought they could get away with into the platform-- so they could cash the most checks from AIPAC.

      If Harris had just said two weeks before the general that she thought what was going on was genocide, she’d be president right now and the minimum of campaign funding would have been lost. Sure the far right would never donate to the dems again, but when you look at what their donations cost us all, why would anyone take that money anyway?

      Bringing their priorities into the party was always a massive mistake by DNC leadership.

      And the dems like yourself learned nothing from the loss and keep preaching to others to accept lesser evils. When it comes to crimes against humanity I think you’ll find for the dems that enough of their base says “never again – for any ethnicity” that they should not even try this again unless they absolutely want to lose. Theres barely enough base to even try to win again in any case. We’re past any sort of ‘optimizing for highest $$’ strategizing and just fighting for the party to even exist at all anymore. So maybe take your lesser evil metaphor and fold it till its all sharp corners and do the needful.

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      Well in that case its simple. Take the nonpredator. Now in usa voterinos both are doing genocide together. In that case its also simple. Reject both.

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      I, John Brown, am now quite certain, that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with blood.

      He did know that already in 1859

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    Americans think their favorite political sports team cares about them like the stripper actually loved them. No, you just gave them what they wanted and as soon as you’re out of sight, they’ll forget you and keep doing their job.

    For strippers it’s doing a workout for a living and being proud of their bodies. For politicians it’s gaslighting the public into thinking they’re the good guys as they socially murder at home and sweep up blood abroad.

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    The funniest thing about non Americans is that they think most of us don’t fucking know this. It’s so annoying

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    Finally someone who speaks the truth, however humans are a lost case, you can’t un-slave mentality without changing the people.

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      We currently have two parties in the US:

      1. The Nazi party.

      2. The Nazi collaborator party.

      One is objectively better than the other, but that ain’t saying much.

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      “This parent abuses you much less than the other. Why are you complaining?!?!?!”

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        Interesting analogy I have found. There is a plethora of psychology and sociology studies that show that children in abusive relationships end up hating the parent that refuses to stand up to the abusive parent more than the parent doing the abusing. Even if the child wouldn’t phrase it this way, there is an acceptance that abusive alcoholics exist. It is the supposedly good and sober parent letting it happen and enabling it that generates the greatest anger and hatred in the child.

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        And back in real life rather than your imagination, we’ve got the actual rapist versus the guy who once smelled someone’s hair. Yeah definitely both the same. /s

        Yeah, America is a capitalist hellhole, but the false equivalence you folks are pushing is absolutely astonishing.

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      Oh yes this is exactly what OP is saying. I’m sure Biden along with all the other Democrat politicians care IMMENSELY about everyone and are pure, benevolent beings. OP is 100% wrong. Democrat politicians treat every US citizen as if they are their own child. As long as the Republicans continue to do awful shit I will 100% believe this is how the world runs!

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      As an outside viewer, the Democrats seem like the obvious better choice. The also obviously don’t care about you that much. From what I can tell, while their actions are not outright destructive towards you, they at least seem only superficially helpful.

      And sure, that’s much better. I don’t think they care about you.

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    “I want the USA to suffer and die”

    Ftfy. Only one party is actively funded by our enemies and is enacting favorable policies to them.

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          Only one party is actively funded by our enemies

          You don’t need to be in possession of anything to acknowledge the easily verifiable fact that they are both sponsored by them.

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      “our enemies” LOL you Americans are so ridiculous. Turn off the TV, you’re just some dope who works for a living, absolutely no one is your enemy except the dictatorship of capital who are represented by political parties in your country and run capitalism.

      Both of your parties carried on illegal wars in my country, toppled the government, left a power vacuum that consumed my family and I still don’t think of you as my enemy.

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      The democrats were committing genocide. GTFO with the “funding our enemies” Ultranationalism.

      You are right about one thing though, I do want the USA to suffer and die, given both sides are fully committed to nationalism and genocide.

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        This was in Canada and we asked people, how much would you pay to clean one lake from acid rain pollution? And we asked other people, how much would you pay to clean up all lakes in Ontario from acid rain pollution? And people gave roughly the same number.

        Point is, the vast majority of people are black and white thinkers. You’re either cleaning pollution, or you’re not. 100% of the party supports cutting off aid to Israel, or they’re all literally committing genocide. You are merely one of the vast majority.

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          What are you talking about? What do lakes in Canada have to do with the fact that the Democratic Party is fully institutionally committed to fully supporting Israel and its extermination campaign?

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              Democrats have several members who have called for ending aid to Israel.

              Like 3 right. so 99% the same. So we’re back to telling people to be ok with just slightly less evil. Whcih was tried in the last election and failed spectacularly.

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                15 Senate Dems vote to cancel billions in Israeli military aid

                There’s 49 senate Democrats, which means 30.6% of Senate Democrats have voted for ending aid to Israel. 0% of Republican senators voted to cancel aid to Israel.

                Furthermore Republicans absolutely love to abuse pro-Palestine people in the worst ways they can, including arresting and deporting pro-Palestine people and cutting off funding for colleges that allow you to protest. I don’t think that’s “slightly less” evil.

                Finally even “slightly less” evil is by definition less evil. Getting in a car crash at 80 MPH is only slightly less likely to kill you than getting in a crash at 90 mph. So what’s the point of hitting the brakes?

                To be honest, to someone who’s observed this conflict for a long time, your side is getting its ass kicked. Israel has taken more land for 8 decades and no one is stopping them as they take more. You need every last advantage if you want to turn the tide. Don’t be lazy, make the necessary distinctions between those who might help you and those who will do whatever a judge will allow them to do to harm you.

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                  Not a bad point. 70% of dem leadership being in support of war crimes in exchange for $ is a lot better than the 100% that the republicans have. Still not great but I’ll take it.

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                  To be honest, to someone who’s observed this conflict for a long time, your side is getting its ass kicked.

                  What is your “side”? Neither the GOP nor the DNC are on my side. They’re on their donors’ sides. On the side of Zionists, the military-industrial complex, and other corporations that benefit from US imperialism & Israeli settler-colonialism.

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      Only one party is actively funded by our enemies

      Incorrect, both parties take money from Wall Street. Only a tiny, tiny minority of the Democrats don’t, and those spoiler Democrats are hated by the DNC far more than the DNC opposes their esteemed Republican opposition.

      If you refuse to see the capitalist oligarchs are the enemy that created the conditions for Trump, then nevermind and carry on, as there’s nothing that ever could convince you.

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    Haha, I still not sure what to call them.

    1. USAns?
    2. USArians?
    3. USians?

    I think Usans would be the most correct, but they are a people with no name.

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      Yep. And Democrats were super evil with what they were doing a few months ago.

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        No content correct the record bots are downvoting you and a lot of other ppl in this thread, who say anything even slightly negative about them. I’m having to ban a lot of them rn.