I (18nb/18m) have been friends with Karl (18m/maybe 19m now) since freshman year. We had been seated together in science class on the first day and really hit it off since then. Karl also has bad social anxiety and already had when I met him, so he only really talked to and trusted me.
Later on in freshman year, I had a friend group with a guy I’ll call Liam, and Karl asked if he could join it because he was looking for friends but was painfully shy so would only befriend Liam’s group if I was there with him. Karl and Liam got close pretty quickly.
I had unrequited feelings for Liam at the time, but thought nothing of it when he and Karl started to get close until Liam told me he was attracted to Karl, and that he was going to confess to him soon. Of course, I was happy for him but was also trying to hide my jealousy. When Liam confessed to Karl, he said yes, and for a while, I knew Karl was interested in him as he told me “I think I’m straight mostly, but I’d totally go out with Liam if he asked me out.”
Liam and Karl dated for the entirety of freshman year, but Karl is also quite Christian along with his family, so he always kind of had internalized homophobia which got worse through the years. Coupled with his anxiety, Liam said it never really felt like Karl was actually into him besides the fact that he would hug Liam and tell him he loved him. They broke up during the beginning of sophomore year because it didn’t feel to Liam like Karl liked him.
Perhaps this would be the first red flag, but I confessed to Liam eventually since we started to hit it off and he told me he was bi, and he said “Sorry, you’re not my type. I’m not into shy guys with… disabilities.” (I’m neurodivergent) I said okay and cried but was into him for all of freshman year and part of sophomore.
After they broke up, Karl and Liam were fine, but towards the end of junior year, started acting very weird towards Liam and avoiding him, so I thought they got into a fight. Liam then started to take photos of Karl and post them online along with his address or phone number depending on the post because “Karl is an ass and none of you should be friends with him”.
Karl never knew about this and I didn’t find out about the address thing until recently. I asked Karl at the beginning of senior year why he was acting this way towards Liam, and Karl told me “because Liam’s weird and we don’t have anything in common”. I did not further question anything.
Later on, Karl became somewhat attached to me and would spend a lot of time with me. He made a joke that I was his wife and that we should get married and live together, which I took as just that: a joke.
We started to hang out more, Karl would compliment me a lot (I’d do likewise) and we’d help each other with work, but we could never hang out because he had sports. Before I turned 18, I realized one night I couldn’t stop thinking about him and even had a dream about him. I suddenly found him sexy as hell.
I started questioning whether or not I liked him, and later realized, “Of course I do!”. I remember one time, which I posted about, he called me cute. I also realized he always seemed to treat me slightly differently than others, but I didn’t know if it was because of my condition or because of another reason. He would be very flirty and touchy with most people, for example, but never me.
He would sometimes be moody, somehow forget when I had partners in the past (he forgot I had a girlfriend), and get especially moody on the subject of romance. I also realized even though he was sad when I broke up with her, he started to compliment me more and be nice after the fact.
Now, he’s being moody again. When we work together, he’ll be nice and help me, but sometimes he’ll be very snippy and rude. He’ll boss me around, tell me he doesn’t like me, or treat me like his pet, but then he’ll be normal toward me. He also seems to have brought me up quite a few times to his parents and is not at all opposed to us hanging out when he can.
With his rude behavior, I don’t even know if I like him that way anymore, but I’m still curious as to how he MAY feel about me.
It sounds like Karl still has a lot of internal struggles and identity issues. I would recommend not getting too close to him until he can work through those things, especially in light of what it sounds like is rather poor treatment towards you.
You deserve someone who unambiguously cares for you and treats you well. He likely doesn’t even know how he feels about you, but because he is comfortable with you, feels like he can safely use you as his punching bag while he works through his internal emotions.
If he’s able to put in the work and overcome his struggles, he won’t make you feel like garbage and it will be infinitely easier to ask if he has romantic feelings towards you. If he continues to act like a jerk, or flip flop between friendly and hostile, there are far too many people in this world that are more worthy of your time and energy.
If there are no other comments in this thread, it’s because aMockTie has summed it up perfectly and concisely.
Thirded.
Later on, Karl became somewhat attached to me and would spend a lot of time with me. He made a joke that I was his wife and that we should get married and live together, which I took as just that: a joke.
Have you considered that Karl may like/have liked you and is upset because he thinks you don’t return his feelings?
always kind of had internalized homophobia which got worse through the years. Coupled with his anxiety, Liam said it never really felt like Karl was actually into him
This may have made it very hard for Karl to express his feelings without feeling anxious and without hating himself for it. If Liam is openly bi and you haven’t told Karl you like men, he might be more open around Liam for that reason.
I know you’re not talking about me… But the Karl guy sounds just like me.
Well stop it
Trust me, I am trying to.
Did you have feelings for the people you acted this way to?
Not romantically. But I do act this way with people I get close to and eventually ruin whatever kind of relationship we had. I’m still learning and it’s just so difficult. I’m not exactly like ther her Karl tho since I’m straight.
I’m not trying to diagnose, I’m just trying to see a correlation but do you have any sort of disorder or you just hate getting close ?
not Lemmy’s Karl, but my Karl gets pretty attached to people, has sleeping issues, bad mood swings, and will go through periods where he’ll seek help and advice from you and you’re the greatest person in the world, but suddenly you suck. if he has a disorder, i have no clue, but he definitely needs to talk to a professional.
Idk if I have any disorder and I can’t afford to know either. I don’t even know what I’m doing wrong.
- We get close
- We both have fun together
- I get bitchy and I can’t stop. It’s like an addiction.
I don’t think I hate getting close. I just turn that way after a certain time spent together.
It’s funny that you both have the same name