• alucard (they/them)@feddit.orgEnglish
    1001·
    2 days ago

    France showed tf up. Thank you France. Their signatures make up about 50% of the total number of signatures (>600k came from France and in total it’s approx 1.2M signatures).

    Thanks also to all the countries with at least 100%, because more than 6 countries were needed.

    Thanks for every single one that signed - no matter the statistics. Every signature counts.

    • CherryBullets@lemmy.caEnglish
      29·
      2 days ago

      Important to note; The French have a very strong culture of secularism, which turns out helps a lot with fighting against religious BS.

    • FundMECFS@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      I’m torn between feeling proud my country did some good for once and annoyed that it means my signature is basically pretty useless compared to others.

      • underscore_@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        30·
        2 days ago

        Giving your signature is never useless on things like this, as it is direct increase in the total support. The more the threshold is surpassed the harder it is to dismiss a moment as and activist fringe and not mainstream opinion.

    • KumaSudosa@feddit.dkEnglish
      7·
      1 day ago

      I think these petitions depend a lot upon people actually being aware of them. I don’t think it’s widespread in Denmark at all

    • lookupgeorgism@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      1 day ago

      Maybe it’s already banned in these countries and there could be an assumption that it is already banned in most countries too, which make it seem like a less important issue.

      • bstix@feddit.dkEnglish
        2·
        7 hours ago

        It’s not directly banned in Denmark. It’s basically non-existent, and as such difficult to find people who cares enough about banning it.

        Indirectly it is already illegal, because it’s illegal to treat anyone for anything against their will. This includes children.

        However, there are still people who send their children to a therapist or a doctor. I don’t know if a ban would change their minds in any way. Perhaps it’s better that the parents get to have that conversation with a doctor instead of just being angry at a law and seeking help at alternative places through religion or whatever. They’d probably do that with or without a law anyway, so if anything, it’s actually better if they have the opportunity to talk to a professional therapist first without just getting told off.

        Politicians don’t want to deal with it. They’re afraid the backlash from people who are against all things “woke”, would be bigger than the support from anyone who actually cares about the virtue signaling.

        If the practice is actually widespread and secretly done in religious circles, we would benefit from hearing those stories.

  • Cano@lemm.eeEnglish
    571·
    2 days ago

    Portugal once again is confirmed as an honorary eastern European country

    • fullsquare@awful.systemsEnglish
      231·
      2 days ago

      Croatia had some 70% just in final day, but Denmark stayed at some 80ish the entire time. I’ve only heard about this petition from lemmy, maybe a couple of posts there and here made it work in some cases but not in others

    • Melchior@feddit.orgEnglish
      151·
      2 days ago

      The initiative was coming from a French organization. That obviously makes it easier to contact French LGBTQ+ groups to promote that initiative. However it is often difficult to contact groups in other countries, as those contacts are missing. Hence some countries might not have signed as much as they could have.

    • petersr@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      2 days ago

      Dane here. Haven’t seen or heard about the petition.

      I don’t think conversion therapy is a thing in Denmark, so most people are probably like “eh, what’s that old fashioned thing - we are already past that.”

      Could be wrong though.

      • biofaust@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        2 days ago

        Conversion therapy is potentially a thing wherever the Catholic Church is allowed to operate, among other groups (for example here in CPH there is a strong Scientology presence).

        As an Italian living in Copenhagen, I am genuinely surprised people here are sometimes so oblivious to issues in society.

        Same thing with stuff like Salmonella cases, with multiple people telling me “Salmonella is not a thing in Denmark” 🤦

        • petersr@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          Thank you for enlightening me!

          I guess Danes can be a little “stuck in their own heads”.

          • biofaust@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            1 day ago

            In Sweden they have the expression “ankdammen” to express the narrow scope of political and social attention. Didn’t learn yet if something similar exists in Danish.

  • huppakee@lemm.eeEnglish
    263·
    2 days ago

    This has more to do with reach than with public opinion, no offense but I do not find this valuable information. I mean I’m glad with every vote, but this doesn’t really say anything meaningful.

    • Robbity@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      2 days ago

      Well it’s both. Which tells you something about the French. Organized and intolerant to this kind of shit.

    • fullsquare@awful.systemsEnglish
      191·
      2 days ago

      France accounts for some half of signatures, and also that’s where this campaign is coordinated from

  • ThirdConsul@lemmy.mlEnglish
    9·
    2 days ago

    Pole here: I honestly though it was outlawed in Poland 5 years ago, but despite what Google AI lies, it wasn’t. Catholic Church intervened and the ban never was voted for.

  • lemming@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    11·
    2 days ago

    I’m wondering about coverage. How much was it talked about in the public? How much was it covered by media? What’s your experience from France and other countries that reached the threshold and from countries that remained far from it? People can’t sign something they never heard about.

    • troglodyte_mignon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 day ago

      I live in France and only heard about it from social media: first, by sheer chance, a few months ago from a minor Mastodon account, the second time three days before the deadline, from the same Mastodon account again. I don’t browse Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/Tiktok at all, so I’m not sure how the coverage was there.

      A trans friend who’s normally way better informed than me about this stuff told me he heard about it less than a week before the deadline, so clearly word hadn’t spread that well, even if France already did have more signatures than most countries at the time. From what I can tell, it spread through digital “word of mouth” rather than through established medias. There was some media coverage, but reeeaally at the last time. A few politicians (mostly from the left) talked about it during the last days, too.

      Like someone else said, ECIs don’t get a lot of media coverage and most people don’t even know they exist. By the way, in France, there’s also an official petition system to submit law ideas to the parliament, and it’s also not very well known. (Another problem being that most petitions on the parliament website are ludicrous because, contrary to ECI, no vetting is done before publishing the petition (as far as I know). I take a look at it now and then, and it’s really tiring to search for the legitimate stuff in the midst of all the ridiculous crap.)

    • iglouEnglish
      7·
      2 days ago

      I don’t believe ECIs ever get a lot of media coverage, sadly.

      Most people don’t even know they can start/participate in ECIs and have their opinion taken into account at a european level. Best we can do is share the platform and make sure as many people as possible know about it.

    • p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.comEnglish
      5·
      2 days ago

      In Croatia it wasn’t covered except for maybe some niche media and Grof Darkula. Still, I’m surprised we made it, homophobia is rampant here.