• IcyToes@sh.itjust.works
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    1 month ago

    Probably due to the fact Labour deserted the working class and fascists used the opportunity to blame immigrants with populist lies.

    Corbyn speaks to working class people about the real lived experience and genuinely means it.

    Working people need to be treated with respect and governments if ignore them at their peril. Blair was wrong that they have nowhere to go so it’s fine to ignore them. Starmer is wrong to re-run that playbook.

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    1 month ago

    Party whose founding premise seems to be based on “Fuck the current guy” says “fuck the current guy”. More at 11

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    1 month ago

    Corbyn stands for something, he got a raw deal that he was in a leadership role during panto season.

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      Maybe tou should read the article and understand why people are drawn to Reform. Starmer is just trying to be Farage light, so it’s no wonder nobody likes him.

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        1 month ago

        Closer to Alexander than Farage.

        An authoritarian bootlicking shitbag as opposed to a racist, opportunist prick.

        Though I suppose there’s some overlap.

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            Yes, but I don’t think it’s because he’s angling for a social group that’s into doing a bunch of hate crimes.

            It’s much more likely he’s doing it for political reasons.

            I could be very wrong however.

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                intent and context.

                One is an actual bigot, one is an effective bigot but only by convenience.

                All he is doing is ahowing that racism is ok now.

                He’s showing that tolerance of bigotry is currently ok as long as it’s a means to a political end.

                Which is different in intent and context, but as you say, not necessarily different in outcome, for some.

                The difference between “benefits him politically”(starmer & johnson) vs “is a bigoted arsehole”(farage).

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      Regardless of one’s opinion on either Corbyn or Reform, this polling data says something super interesting about Reform voters (and understanding that demographic looks increasingly important, as they continue to climb in the polls). Superficially, this data might be surprising, given that Corbyn was on the far left of the party, and Reform is typically understood to be further right than the Conservatives. However, as someone who grew up in what used to be Labour heartlands, where UKIP (and later Reform) had a strong foothold in the local council, it makes sense to me; UKIP/Reform are skilled at capitalising on working class dissatisfaction and disenfranchisement. In a sense, progressive left wing policy and anti-immigration rhetoric are two different answers to the same problem.

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      No, but it is indicative of what leftists have been trying to tell liberals for the last 12 years. The current system is hurting working people more than any point since WW2, and everyone with eyes can see it. The fascists are telling people that the system is fucked because of immigrants, the left is telling people that it’s the capitalist class that is hording all the wealth, while the liberals are saying that everything is working as intended. Labour is going through the same issue that every other liberal party across the west is dealing with. No one trusts them because they are trying to implement rainbow capitalism and slap a fresh coat of paint over the institutional rot that is destroying people’s lives rather than make fundamental changes to society.

      Jezzer wanted to make the necessary changes to improve life for working Brits, and Labour dragged him over the coals for it. Look at Scunthorpe for example. Starmwr is going on about some liberal nonsense about finding an appropriate buyer for the steel plant, while Farage is calling for the facility to be nationalized. One of those options ensures that people in a critical industry have a job, and it isn’t the option the Prime Minister is advocating for