Bob* was riding across the Kurilpa Bridge into the city on a quiet school holiday Friday morning, also coincidentally World Car-Free Day, when … BAM, he was $464 poorer.

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    I’d really like to see the speeding fines formally challenged in some way. You hear stories from cyclists that they or their mates have had them overturned, but I haven’t seen any actual evidence of this. Maybe it’s the case that police just choose not to proceed when the fines are challenged, and avoid setting a formal precedent in the courts.

    It would also be interesting if this specific case was challenged. Like you say, it sounds like the 10km/h is supposed to be advisory, but the sign they have used is a regulatory sign which can be enforced by a literal reading of the rules. Not sure if it would hold up in court, and might come down to the judge’s attitude towards cyclists.

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      but the sign they have used is a regulatory sign

      Sort of. As someone astutely pointed out on Facebook:

      the signs don’t look like they comply with MUTCD regarding their layout, positioning, dimension’s [sic] etc.

      Which could be either an indication that they’re intended to be advisory, or just a failure to really think things through.

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          I wonder if the fact that it’s not on a sign by itself, but combined with a bunch of other things, which could mean it’s unenforceable. It reminds me of (but is nowhere near as bad as) the signs on the way in to UQ:

          There are clear standard signs on the way out saying 60, but the only sign on the way in is part of a bigger sign including details about smoking, hazardous chemicals, and parking restriction hours. I’ve lived minutes away from the sign for a decade now and have ridden & walked past it many times, and didn’t even notice that sign existed until this year after someone made a comment about the speed limits online. The ones on Kurilpa and Goodwill are better than this, but they still mix the (advisory?) speed limit in with other stuff in a way that you could argue is confusing.

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            Wow that sign is extra ridiculous. I think most people would struggle to read it standing right in front of it let alone driving past.

            s316 does give a lot of leeway e.g.

            (b) the sign has additional information on or with it; or

            (e) the sign is combined on a single panel with 1 or more other traffic signs; or

            The point where it becomes substantially different is pretty subjective, which IMO shouldn’t be a thing when you’re talking about road rules, but it’s sadly not the only example.