Mr. Rogers would be on Ms. Rachel’s side
w.w.m.r.d.
The anti-cancel culture brigade really likes cancel culture, if it targets their enemies…
They invented it, back then we called it the Red Scare
it’s older than that. censorship has always hid as “protecting the youth from radical idealists” while letting authoritarians say anything they want to maintain a specific narrative where the limited protected class gets to remain the limited protected class. they’ve gone by many names. the high priests, the patricians, the nobility, the bourgeoisie, the party, the council, the oligarchs, the billionaires. they also always label an unprotected class as being the root of all the problems the protected class causes.
nothing is new. 1984 describes three great imperial powers locked in permanent combative detente. this is based on george orwell’s observations on history, and his prediction that this would not fundamentally change in his lifetime without something changing.
You could say that. Maybe their biggest problem with it was that it got stolen from them.
Children in Gaza are semites. The genocidal maniacs destroying their country and killing their families are antisemitic.
You definitely shouldn’t turf these kunts here: https://stopantisemitism.org/report-an-incident/
I have never seen antisemitic sentiment this high in my life, and it is almost completely due to the defense of genocide and from bullshit stunts like this group has pulled. Groups like Stop Antisemitism Now are literally hurting jewish people.
They don’t care. Conflating being Jewish as being a Zionist is the entire point of what they are doing. They don’t give a fuck if this hurts Jewish people because the only thing they care about is creating a pure white Israel.
In fact, they want to increase antisemitism around the world. The state of Israel faces demographic challenges, namely that the Arab population has historically had a higher fertility rate, so it has been relying on immigration to ensure that the Jewish population growth rate outpaces the Arab one. If Jewish people feel unsafe enough in the countries where they live, more of them may be driven to make aliyah.
(Also, there’s been an uptick in emigration from the state of Israel since the Oct. 7th attack, which AFAICT has not been significant in sheer numbers, but a worrying trend for the leaders. Antisemitism around the world makes leaving less attractive.)
They aren’t white. They are Semitic. Same as the Palestinians.
Whatever white actually is… in the United States people used to say Irish people were not white… so, white doesn’t really mean much.
It literally determines who is allowed to live and die in Israel.
Also probably why they have shot so many Israelis in friendly fire… it’s not possible to tell by looking who is Israeli and who is Palestinian.
Never been antisemitic in my life, not even a drop. Now when I hear the word “Jew” I feel negative about it, “Israel” even more so.
I think it is really important to try and not conflate being Jewish with being pro-Israel.
Personally I am not willing to condem everyone of Jewish faith due to Israels actions.
That’s kind of the same with Catholics and pedophilia for example, to the slightly lesser extend. We shouldn’t conflate regular people who were born into Catholicism, and even who still say they believe in it. And yet, by remaining Catholic they support an organisation which purpose is to spend Nazi gold to protect pedophiles. And they can stop doing that, but don’t.
The problem is, even when you try to separate the two, there is still some initial connection there.
If I meet a Jewish person I’ve never met before, I’m not going to just immediately assume they are a horrible fascist who supports killing children. However, one of the first questions that will enter my head is: “Is this person pro-Israel?” and unfortunately, I can’t just assume the answer is no. It’s also a question I need an answer to before I’m comfortable interacting with said person.
It’s a similar feeling to meeting someone from Russia, or hell, meeting someone from the US. The first, immediate, question I need the answer to is “Does the person I’m talking to support the absolutely unforgivable shit their country is doing?” because if the answer is yes, I don’t want to interact with that person a second more than I have to. The only difference with Jewish people is that they don’t have to be from Israel for that question to come up.
It’s only fair to extend that suspicion to meeting Christians as well, the vast majority of Zionists are Christian.
I think I’m more suspicious of Christians than Jews on that front (among many many others)
Right. Not every Jewish person is pro- Isreal, but the only pro Isreal person in my immediate circle is Jewish.
Important to note that SAN’s side effect of stoking this kind of resentment only plays into their hands, ultimately.
Since this isn’t the first genocide, would it still be fair to be anti religion for this reason? Maybe it’s time for Jews to see what religion does to people, and that even Jews aren’t safe from this garbage.
There’s nothing but reasons to be anti-religion.
If you wanna try and convince people to abandon organized religon by educating them on the atrocities organized religon have wrought throughout history then have at it.
Can my first step be to ask you to stop letting religious people off the hook for being genocidal maniacs?
I know… Like an entire generation mobilized to stop what Germany was doing to the Jews, and try and bring them some kind of justice.
Then they thank the world by spying on their allies, extorting them into authoritarian regimes using their state funded child sex ring. Then they go on to commit genocide, and act like anyone who opposes it is an antisemite.
No, people just generally don’t support genocide and whole sale slaughter of civilians.
Don’t think of it as “jews show their thanks like this” that’s an easy path to accidentally fostering bigotry. Of course a nation founded by victims of genocide and members of the affected group around the world whose group has been victim to many genocides in their millennium + of diaspora are going to spy on everyone. Especially considering that the USA and USSR both took nazi talent in after the war, and that nobody cared enough to fight when it was just Jews’ word against Germany’s.
This is yet another settler colonialist nation committing genocide after decades of dehumanization of their victims. Israel associates itself with the international Jewish community and their tragic history in the same way the United States does with the concept of democracy and freedom or the USSR did with the international proletariat. Every non-Israeli Jew and a good chunk of the Israeli ones could hate Israel with the passion many of my Jewish friends do. They could hate it enough to blot out Israel as well as Haman on Purim. And even then Israel would claim to stand for them and speak for them and that criticism of Israel is antisemitism.
We must maintain our opposition to genocide and our opposition to bigotry based on racial or ethnic lines. We must force the citizens of Israel and its supporters to see the humanity of the starving Palestinians, just as we forced the people of Germany and the world to see the humanity of the Jewish people, and just as we should have done in America any time in the past 300 or so years with our indigenous peoples.
Stop now and separate them in your head. There are Jewish people all over the world that have nothing to do with Israel. There are also Jews that are Israeli who denounce their government.
Oh it’s actually insane. I do not live in a country with a high Jewish population, so I’ve really had little to no opinion of them for the majority of my life. I now have a generally negative opinion from all the news and videos I’ve watched plus the continuous BS and accusations of antisemitism if you say anything anti Israel etc.
Why are you saying ‘I have never met a Jew, and now I don’t like them’, check yourself
at the same time it’s demonstrative of exactly how israel saying they represent me makes life more dangerous for me.
and the real truth that people in the diaspora have found is that any hate against anyone makes the world more hateful. we value peace for two reason:
- we’re not fucking monsters
- we don’t want to live with and around monsters for our own safety
so we will continue to speak on that the jewish identity is not tied to slaughtering other ethnicities, as israel says it is. many see the stories that have been passed down through judaism as the tale of a group of people who have maintained their history through multiple genocides, and exist to speak into the world how to avoid these atrocities.
in summary:
- if you find yourself by default hating any group audit it and see if you’re being shown an incomplete version of that group
- fuck israel for everything they’ve done
Being a ‘technical jew’ (Jewish mother, raised catholic, now happily nothing) and watching Israel ramp to from grotesque apartheid state to active genocide has been awful.
I was never so naive to think Israel was good in any way, but their ‘heel turn’ to full naziism while making the future much more dangerous for the Jewish diaspora all so they can rape and murder with impunity… I’m at a loss.
American evangelicals already hated Jews. I can’t imagine even having to fake caring about antisemitism isn’t going to put us pretty high on their to do list…
similar situation. jewish mother, raised without religion in a largely lutheran and jewish community. i remember in 2000 my kindergarten teacher (i was in 4th grade at the time) sitting me down to explain to me that israel was something called fascist, and that as a holocaust survivor, he could never tolerate fascism. he always wore long sleeves at school. it was then that i learned why. the nazis had tattooed a number on his forearm when he was 3.
it is offensive to his memory that israel uses the kindest man i’ve ever known’s religious symbols to perpetuate the very worst thing that ever happened to him on others.
Was Israel really showing signs of fascism so long ago that he recognized it enough to tell a student in 2000? It was definitely not on my radar until much later. That may say more about me though.
they have been problematic through their whole history, but in 2000 the un security council demanded israel withdraw troops from the west bank. this led to the resignation of the president and the election of moshe katsav, a crucial step in the leikud gaining the near full control they have maintained over the past 25 years, as this election would ultimately thwart a criminal investigation into benjamin netenyahu’s corruption.
obviously i didn’t understand all of this at 8 years old (i guess i was in third grade) but this was highly divisive in my community, with many younger jews seeing this all as a good thing and Hezbollah as a looming ever present threat, and many older jews seeing reflections of the beer hall putsch, hitler’s show trial, and eventual political takeover of germany. it was hard for me to understand why everyone was both so scared all the time and how this generational divide had formed
A good chunk of my extended family on my mother’s side died in the holocaust. Her father fought in WWII and died due to complications from injuries. This is very personal to me.
Israel using it as an excuse to BE the same as the bad guys… what the ever loving fuck is going on.
Remember kids, it’s always been cool to ‘punch’ nazis. Whatever form that takes.
American evangelicals already hated Jews.
Confidently Incorrect. The overwhelming majority are Trump and Israel supporters.
supporting israel is not an indicator that someone doesn’t hate Jews. many right wingers want there to be a place only for Jews so they can conduct an ethnic cleansing and send all the Jews there. the thing to understand is that zionism and anti-semitism are not oppositional forces, but instead two different ways of saying that Jews have no place in their current places of being and need to leave
yes. many of those “rightwingers” are jews and evangelicals. as allies. seeking the same validation from their overlapping theologies.
Ah, that has NOTHING to do with Jews, but in support of a combination of fulfilling the conditions of the rapture as per Revelation and in support of zionism.
Zionism is NOT analogous to Judaism. Only very tangential at best.
Your distinction is no different than when others refer to current US administration as Christian. Is it or isn’t it? Depends on who you ask. People claim roles regardless of any meaningful adherence to their definition. You enjoy your split hair soup, but if you believe American Evangelicals are making a distinction between your beliefs, person-hood, or israel, i assure you, the majority are not. More. Further more, if you still think evangelicals hate Jews, try empathizing with a group we can all agree they hate. Gays. Women who need abortions. Then ask yourself, where are all the instances of hell-fire protests outside of the synagogues? It doesn’t exist. Evangelicals consider themselves allies of Jewish people.
Thanks for making my point for me.
Go fuck yourself.
please be civil
What the fuck dude
Take your outrage home.
You have the mental capacity to separate a religious group from a malicious state actor do you not?
All they’re achieving with this is that from now on, whenever I see someone accused of anti-Semitism, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt, something that used to make me distrust that person, but no longer does.
That’s not true and you know it. They’re achieving exactly what they set out to achieve: violence and hate against this woman and her family to bully her, and others, into shuttering support for Palestine.
Why do you assume it’s not true? I’m speaking from my own experience and no one else’s. Four or five years ago, when a public figure was called anti-Semitic, I assumed they were a Nazi; now I either investigate the matter further or ignore the accusation.
I’m alleging that Stop Antisemitism Now is staffed by people who will defend raping people with dogs.
Are they raping people who have dogs? So, like, non-dog owners are safe? Or are they using dogs to defend people while they rape?
Wow ok that article damaged my mental state… I don’t feel ok.
Unholy fucking shit. I was being facetious but there is no bottom to the sewer of Israeli morality.
These Israeli terrorists are true scum, that country and its government are such a shit stain on this world. My heart goes out to Ms Rachel, and to all the Palestinian babies murdered every day by these monsters.
The people who think Mrs Rachel is antisemitic are demons. They just lost all credibility.
Not demons, but close. Cultists.
They’re not demons, they’re people. Terrible people but still human beings. Dehumanization is a tool of the assholes.
Okay, call me an asshole then. Those people are inhuman, souless ghouls who dont deserve a day of comfort in their miserable excuse for a life.
it’s ok to dehuminise those who dehumanise people, if you think that’s the Barber paradox, go read about the tolerance paradox
I agree with you, Sgt_choke_n_stroke
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It sucks to be lied about & slandered, but at this point it really is a badge of honor to have genocide supporters calling you out because you don’t support murdering the kids that they traumatized. I know the threats & damage are real though. All the pro-genociders are doing though is exposing themselves for how dishonest they really are. Them calling Ms. Rachel a antisemite will only wake a bunch more people up to their lies & propaganda. The ones that believe it are blinded by their own bigotry.
It does more than that. It tarnishes the believability of all accusations of antisemitism, even those made by reasonable people about actual antisemitism.
It also proactively fuels antisemitism by conflating Israel with Jews more broadly. Because of rhetoric like this, some subset of people who are outraged at Israel l’s actions will now direct that outrage at Jews more broadly.
Moreover, Palestinians have semitic DNA.
They are terrorist. They hide behind a word and are robbing it of all meaning other than hate. Israels hate not anyone else’s. They are Nazi Germany in the nineteen thirties and forties. They are inflicting their final solution on the Palestinians. The people who they robbed of their land. They had to wait until all the concentration camp victims from world war two were dead to do it. Because those Jewish folk would be kicking their asses.
Israel is a terrorist state and it will eventually destroy them. They have trash like Hillary Clinton telling lies for them. The piece of shit who ran for president and lost to trump because no one could tell them apart. Personally I think trump is lot more feminine than her. They have Jewish born Americans like Bernie Sanders condemning them. They are lost people and unfortunately genuine, good and decent Jewish folk elsewhere folk suffer because of these hateful fakers.
I was with you till you started mixing in the gender presentation of Trump and Hillary.
Same.
I don’t care. I dislike both of them equally.
this still normalizes mysoginy and anti-trans sentiment when your focus is on two shit politicians
I don’t agree.
I am going to have to disagree with you here however weird it seems. Trump is definitely more of a bitch than Hillary is.
Zionists are the strongest antisemitic force since Hitler
Why doesn’t she sue them for libel and/or slander? Make them prove she has said or done anti-semetic things?
Because calling someone Anti-Semetic is like calling someone an asshole. It’s fully an opinion and there’s no way to prove it one way or another.
And even if you could, she bares the cost of fighting the case. EVEN if she prevails, 10 more assholes will show up and call her anti-semetic.
The problem is social media has given assholes tremendous power.
By that token it’s fair game to refer to literally every Israeli Zionist as a “Nazi acolyte” or a “Student from the Berlin Academy of Genocide”.
Tbf the concept of Zionism, in it’s present incarnation, is indistinguishable to me from that of Lebensraum, and similarly evil.
Absolutely. But the difference between you and me and them are that we simply want to live our lives and, you know, want other people to be able to live their lives and not be bothered.
Whereas they actively want to oppress. So for them, calling people anti-semitic or other names only furthers their cause.
This is why “both sides” are not the same. If the right would simply let people do what they want, we wouldn’t have to push back so much.
This is an organization with published statements and claims though. Not some random jackanape on Twitter. And anti-semetism has hate crime legislation detailing it and legal precedents. Calling someone an asshole is subjective but anti-semetism has actual objective definitions.
She’s simply a badass.
