Some light sneerclub content in these dark times.

Eliezer complements Musk on the creation of community notes. (A project which predates the takeover of twitter by a couple of years (see the join date: https://twitter.com/CommunityNotes )).

In reaction Musk admits he never read HPMOR and he suggests a watered down Turing test involving HPMOR.

Eliezer invents HPMOR wireheads in reaction to this.

  • self@awful.systemsMEnglish
    11·
    1 year ago

    oh, Elon, no! have you not considered the deadly perils of AI in this case? if you create a high-quality Harry Potter fanfiction that gets extended faster than people can read, I’m pretty sure some readers will never come back out again

    HPMOR specifically is famous for doing this to some readers! They’re aiming their AI at one of the most dangerous targets!

    I haven’t had my caffeine yet today, but yud’s replies and all the blue checks not worth quoting are making me cringe so hard the exertion is forcing me awake

    • Soyweiser@awful.systemsOPEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      The ‘Some readers’ example being Aella, and her admitting she is also a very slow reader made it just that much better. And then the various bluechecks admitting they are also now addicted to reading HPMOR.

      If they are enjoying that, their second fiction book will be even better!

      • gerikson@awful.systemsEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        It’s sad when people pretend to have read some great piece of literature (like War and Peace), but at least it’s understandable from a social perspective - the pretender wishes to conform to an ideal of a cultivated person.

        It’s hard to say if it’s sadder or just more pathetic to pretend to have read a piece of dreck like HPMOR.

        • blakestacey@awful.systemsMEnglish
          10·
          1 year ago

          I read War and Peace but have only vague memories of it, because I read it in eighth grade. We had an “accelerated reader” program, you see, in which we were supposed to read books and then take quizzes on them to accumulate points. The longer books counted for more. Nearly all of the list we could pick from looked incredibly boring, so I decided to get a year’s worth of points in one go.

        • raktheundead@fedia.io
          9·
          1 year ago

          Something I will say about War and Peace that’s rarely mentioned - probably because it is a work that is meant to mark one out as a cultured person - within the first 50 pages of the book, there’s a scene where a group of the main characters tie a policeman to the back of a bear. For some reason, it’s the part of the book that’s stuck with me the longest in association with its story.

  • swlabr@awful.systemsEnglish
    9·
    1 year ago

    ITT:

    All the more so if it can create a high-quality Harry Potter VR Universe that expands infinitely with NPCs powered by AI that is infinitely more interesting than the normal world is.

    This is the future LWers want.

    • Sailor Sega Saturn@awful.systemsEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      I’m reminded of a My Little Pony singularity fan-fiction (Friendship is Optimal) that I read back when I had poor taste. An AI for a pony MMORPG goes rogue and converts everyone into digital ponies to maximize happiness but with a pony theme. The victims live out impossibly long, but ultimately superficial, lives doing pony stuff and goodness gracious why is there such a weird relationship between rationalists and fanfiction writers.

      • swlabr@awful.systemsEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        most charitable psychoanalysis: projecting their sense of rationality onto a fictional world is a way to express a deep longing for rules and logic in an often cruelly irrational world

        least charitable: their sense of rationality can only be true in a fictional world, so they want to live in that rather than reality

        Neutral charity: the author is dead, all interpretation is essentially fanfiction, and since we are all individuals, all relationships with texts/fanfiction are weird.

        • blakestacey@awful.systemsMEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          “I dig a pony … Well, you can penetrate any place you go / Yes, you can penetrate any place you go / I told you so”

      • corbin@awful.systemsEnglish
        8·
        1 year ago

        It’s the combination of big imaginations and little real-world experience. In Friendship is Optimal, the AGI goes from asking for more CPUs to asking for information on how to manufacture its own CPUs, somehow without involving the acquisition of silicon crystals or ASML hardware along the way. Rationalist writers imagine that AGI will somehow provide its own bounty of input resources, rather than participating in the existing resource economy.

        In reality, none of our robots have demonstrated the sheer instrumentality required to even approach this sort of doomsday scenario. I think rationalists have a bit of the capitalist blind spot here, imagining that everything and everybody (and everypony!) is a resource.

        • swlabr@awful.systemsEnglish
          10·
          1 year ago

          Pleasure Island, from Pinocchio. You gotta ask for the pony pass though, or else you’re just gonna get turned into a donkey. To reverse the transformation you gotta go to the island of Dr. Moreau.

  • shinigami3@awful.systemsEnglish
    8·
    1 year ago

    (After being presented incontrovertible proof he is wrong)

    Okay, I’m maybe wrong here, though I’m pretty sure I do not remember seeing anything like this feature before Elon bought Twitter.

    lol peak yud. “I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I’m right”

    • Soyweiser@awful.systemsOPEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      He is right in a way that is was put more to the forefront under Musk, but that just makes him an options picking manager, not some visionary tech genius.

  • hrrrngh@awful.systemsEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    God I cannot believe that Harry Potter fanfiction is such a big part of Rationalism.

    I made the mistake of reading too many comments down in a Reddit thread and a ephebophilepedophile showed up. I looked at their profile and was just totally blindsided by Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality fanfiction and it apparently being their second favorite book ever. I think their first was Lolita but I don’t remember.

    I’ve heard that (maybe?) SBF had Harry Potter orgies, detailed on his girlfriend’s cryptofascist tradwife Tumblr blog. I know I shouldn’t but I kind of want to see if I can dig around the Internet Archive and find out how much of that really happened. Just making myself suffer for fun

    • Soyweiser@awful.systemsOPEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      In the period when I didn’t see the LW/SSC community as negatively as I do now I also noticed there were quite a few ephebophilespedophiles there, even had a long discussion with one who was being very cagey about it. It was weird. A well, as a cryptoneoreactionary said: ‘if you build a place free of witchhunts, don’t be surprised a lot of witches show up’. Liking Lolita (which isn’t a bad book per se, it is great in the ‘this is what lies pedos/bad people tell themselves/others to get away with it’ unreliable narrator sense) is certainly a red flag, esp when people are not aware of the parenthesis (I have reach peak reference game, I now reference my own sentence from inside the sentence).

      And I think a lot of fascination of the Harry Potter from inside the LW community is just age, for a lot of these people Harry Potter was an important series in their early teens, which is an important period in growing up for these kinds of things, it is also massively popular (I guess less so now due to Rowling deciding that transphobia is cheaper than going to therapy for her abusive ex). Of course this doesn’t explain HPMOR in the first place as Yud is old (or at least older than the people I’m talking about, who would now be in their 30s max while Yud is in his 40s, I myself am also one of the ‘grew up before HP olds btw, noticed that younger people I knew were very into HP (and some game where you capture wild animals and have them fight cagematches for you, weird shit forgot the name)’).

      And well I think SBF having orgies and being into polyam stuff is fine (and I wish those on everybody who wants them as long as everybody consents), I think the theft, fascism and all that is the problem. On that note, you clearly should only make yourself suffer more if you want to do that and enjoy it. But on some level I guess you do, as everybody here is a bit masochistic by staying here and reading this stuff. Her being all cryptofasc tradwife was weird, esp when Musk was going all in on ‘see the left is evil because SBF donated to the democrats’, but I guess if the rich technologists of the world would spend more time actually understanding how politics works they wouldn’t be rich.

      Edit: Apologies for the somewhat long and rambling reply, I think the coffee was too strong and im sliding back into stream of thought reddit posting habits.

      • gerikson@awful.systemsEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        As an aside, I believe Harry Potter, while marketed as YA, was actually read a lot by a more adult audience.

        I read the first book aloud to my stepkids, but as the next books arrived they lost interest while I read them all. By the last few ones it was in morbid curiosity.