When Nixon fucked around he stepped down. In doing so, he said to the American people “what I did was wrong and I recognize that.”
Trump won’t admit wrongdoing. He’s been indicted on fucking 90 counts. Until he is actually punished, his followers will only see that they can try to do the same.
Society needs to renounce him, fully, or were fucked.
Same could have been said if we had actually nailed Ronnie Raygun to the wall for Iran/Contra. Instead, we let him coast. And that was even worse than Watergate.
Republicans have been skating for years and years for their crimes.
Might’ve happened had there been a precedent for it. Same with all the war crimes for Cheney/Bush.
Instead they’re counting their money and fingerprinting.
Ford pardoned Nixon, so there wasn’t much that could be done to punish Nixon after that. They couldn’t even go after him at the state level since the Watergate scandal happened in DC. Pardoning Nixon was a major part of why Ford didn’t get reelected, although there were several other major reasons for that.
I think part of the problem is that jailing him would just make him more powerful to his supporters. I honestly think Trump wants to be jailed for this shit.
But would his supporters see it that way? They’re so innoculated against reality that they accept his narrative uncritically. They won’t see it as consequences, because they don’t see him as guilty.
I also don’t think the effects on his supporters’ beliefs should matter much to prosecution for his crimes. I can’t imagine there’s any way for that to have an effect that nudges them towards reality
I feel like you’re arguing against a very different position that I hold/expressed? I don’t think they’ll do all that much differently than they were already going to. Trying to appease his supporters by tempering the justice for his crimes won’t work, and will probably do more harm.
It would deplatform him and that’s the best way to kill the movement for anyone but the most radical.
We can see that in Canada with the far right party that medias had the legal obligation to cover during the last campaign (because of high enough vote intentions based on surveys), after the campaign (and after not winning a single seat) their social medias lost 80% of its audience based on the number of likes and shares. The followers just stopped caring because they weren’t all over the news anymore.
Get Trump off the news and off social media and his chance of winning the primary will become zero.
Why do we care about the karens who are still supoorting this guy? They’ll cry about him being in jail and then get distracted by the next bit of ragebait. We have to stop treading on eggshells around these people.
DO.IT.
That orange fucker needs to see some consequences for his actions for once.
More than him – our nations people.
When Nixon fucked around he stepped down. In doing so, he said to the American people “what I did was wrong and I recognize that.”
Trump won’t admit wrongdoing. He’s been indicted on fucking 90 counts. Until he is actually punished, his followers will only see that they can try to do the same.
Society needs to renounce him, fully, or were fucked.
Meh. I kinda wish we would have set a harder precedent with rather than letting him go on a PR tour.
I think it possibly could have prevented a lot of the ensuing political corruption we’ve seen.
Same could have been said if we had actually nailed Ronnie Raygun to the wall for Iran/Contra. Instead, we let him coast. And that was even worse than Watergate.
Republicans have been skating for years and years for their crimes.
Might’ve happened had there been a precedent for it. Same with all the war crimes for Cheney/Bush. Instead they’re counting their money and fingerprinting.
Ford pardoned Nixon, so there wasn’t much that could be done to punish Nixon after that. They couldn’t even go after him at the state level since the Watergate scandal happened in DC. Pardoning Nixon was a major part of why Ford didn’t get reelected, although there were several other major reasons for that.
Obviously, but Ford shouldn’t have. That was most of the point.
Still, that wouldn’t have made him immune to impeachment (and hopefully the ultimate barring from holding office).
But the point is moot, and bipartisan vileness will ensure we don’t see a precedence for any of these things in decades.
He won’t
I think part of the problem is that jailing him would just make him more powerful to his supporters. I honestly think Trump wants to be jailed for this shit.
This is BULL SHIT. Jailing him would show his supporters there are still consequences.
Also, it’s likely to draw some of them out to do some illegal stuff in “protest” of donnie the Nepo Baby being locked up.
And then THEY can be put in prison, too. :)
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But would his supporters see it that way? They’re so innoculated against reality that they accept his narrative uncritically. They won’t see it as consequences, because they don’t see him as guilty.
I also don’t think the effects on his supporters’ beliefs should matter much to prosecution for his crimes. I can’t imagine there’s any way for that to have an effect that nudges them towards reality
It’s not relevant in this context.
Tell me honestly…what can they do? Cry? Whine? Go attack the fbi and then shoot themselves like that one guy?
I keep hearing this argument and it baffles me as to what people like you are afraid of or think is going to happen…
I feel like you’re arguing against a very different position that I hold/expressed? I don’t think they’ll do all that much differently than they were already going to. Trying to appease his supporters by tempering the justice for his crimes won’t work, and will probably do more harm.
I don’t care
Sounds like you never met a trump supporter. Or republican for that matter. They will double down.
As I ask below. What are they going to do?
Do what they do now but double
So nothing, got it
Ok, triple down!
It doesn’t matter what his little cult of idiots think, he should be bound by the same laws as everyone else.
It would deplatform him and that’s the best way to kill the movement for anyone but the most radical.
We can see that in Canada with the far right party that medias had the legal obligation to cover during the last campaign (because of high enough vote intentions based on surveys), after the campaign (and after not winning a single seat) their social medias lost 80% of its audience based on the number of likes and shares. The followers just stopped caring because they weren’t all over the news anymore.
Get Trump off the news and off social media and his chance of winning the primary will become zero.
Why do we care about the karens who are still supoorting this guy? They’ll cry about him being in jail and then get distracted by the next bit of ragebait. We have to stop treading on eggshells around these people.
He can’t spout off bullshit at campaign rallies if he’s behind bars for contempt of court.