Those poor people.
I’m not sure if Hamas has noticed but they’re not exactly winning this war.
At this point they’re obviously just trying to get as many Palestinians killed as possible for propaganda.
The poor Palestinians have a government that’s actively trying to get them killed.
If Hamas cared even an iota for their people they’d surrender and end the war.
If Hamas cared even an iota for their people they’d surrender and end the war.
Have you seen what happened to parts of Gaza occupied by the IDF?
This community has a large pro-hamas faction. Youve just pissed them off.
I don’t really understand their position. Surely the option that leads to least Palestinian deaths would be something they want? It’s honestly just weird.
Some of you Palestinians may die, but it’s a sacrifice Hamas is willing to make
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I’m starting to think it’s just people being as edgy and contrarian as possible.
This is very true, taking a contrarian stance is an easy way to “show” (pretend) that you have an edgy personality. This I think covers most of the young white Westerners.
The other part is just antisemitic people, of which a lot exists even in Western countries (and not just immigrants, who are often blamed solely).
That user is probably one of the biggest sources of Israeli disinformation on this site. Everyone is just tired of their shit.
saying that makes you pro hamas
Dumb plan, Hamas. Israel will just bomb you to shits in record time…
Edit: y’all don’t get it. This gives Israel an excuse for total war. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
That’s what Israel is doing, has been doing, and would continue to do whether the hostages are returned or not.
If it makes no difference either way then they should free the hostages simply because it’s the right thing to do…
It really shouldn’t be hard or controversial to support the innocent people on both sides of this horrible war. Free the damn hostages and stop the bombings.
The hostages are there for a reason, and that’s to give Hamas more leverage during the eventual ceasefire negotiations. There are Palestinian prisoners they need to release and goods they need to get through the blockade, among other things.
Palestinian hostages* who were detained unlawfully under false pretenses.
So you’re saying they need them for a ceasefire deal? Then why no negotiations for a ceasefire?
Because Israel doesn’t want a ceasefire. They want a complete military victory. That’s why Hamas just said no more hostage releases until cessation of hostilities, to pressure them to accept a ceasefire.
a reason, and that’s to give Hamas more leverage during the eventual ceasefire negotiations
I don’t find “leverage” and political bargaining to be a good reason to take innocent people hostage.
But even if I did, I think Hamas has a pretty fucking terrible track record of negotiating anything on the behalf of Palestinians. The October 7th terror attacks brought Gaza from the frying pan into the fire, and I doubt there will be anything resembling a ceasefire until the hostages are freed.
The morally right thing for Hamas to do is to free the hostages and to turn over anybody who was involved in the October 7th terror attacks. The morally right thing for Israel to do is to implement an immediate ceasefire, facilitate aide into Gaza, and call back all illegal settlers in the West Bank. Will either side do the right thing? I don’t know, probably not, but I can only hope.
I don’t find “leverage” and political bargaining to be a good reason to take innocent people hostage.
It is when that political bargaining is necessary to get people out of permanent “administrative detention”, and when people need… Well, basically everything (including food and water) in Gaza (that’s always the case because of the blockade). Remember that half of Gazans are malnourished.
But even if I did, I think Hamas has a pretty fucking terrible track record of negotiating anything on the behalf of Palestinians.
They don’t, though. Remember Sheikh Jarrah? Hamas takes hostages because it’s the only thing that works.
Israel has said it’d end the war if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages.
Seems like the only way to prevent Palestinian deaths at this point
Is it?
Because Israel was killing them before Hamas ever existed, and they won’t suddenly stop after.
Jews and Muslims fighting? You don’t say?!
Israel has stated their intent and there’s enough international pressure on them that they’ll keep to it.
I’m all ears about how you think Hamas prolonging the war for months more will benefit the Palestinians.
It won’t, but it will kill some Israelis as well, and that’s a sacrifice internet armchair generals are willing to make.
Israel is Nazi Germany, they won’t stop anything until they’re forced to.
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Like they’ve already been doing the whole time?
I mean, its not like they weren’t bombing the shit out of gaza in the first place, killing hundreds every day. I’d be surprised if Israel could bomb gaza any harder than they already are.
“Israel” is committed to destroying Gaza and getting revenge by killing as many people as possible. Hamas doesn’t want that, and Hamas has the hostages. So simply: want to destroy Gaza? Your hostages will go down with it.
Israel is committed to destroying the army of Hamas, and to prevent it from ruling Gaza. It is not committed to destroying Gaza.
Hamas could end the war any minute. Pressuring Israel to let Hamas survive instead of pressuring Hamas to surrender and return the hostages is being pro-Hamas, not pro Palestinian.
It is not committed to destroying Gaza.
Then why did they destroy Gaza worse than the allies destroyed WWII Germany?
I think it is quite obvious: to destroy the Hamas infrastructure and to kill as many Hamas militants as possible, while minimising Israeli casualties.
If you have a better suggestion for how to destroy Hamas’ ability to continue to attack Israel I’m sure they would love to hear it.
Probably peace, but Netanyahu has been running on not doing that for decades.
Pressuring Israel to let Hamas survive instead of pressuring Hamas to surrender and return the hostages is being pro-Hamas, not pro Palestinian.
“Not wanting the murderous government that is actively finding ways to kill and displace Palestinians in places that it controls to take control of Gaza is being pro-Hamas”
Hamas are the extremists of the Palestinians, the IDF and “Israeli” government are the extremists of the “Israeli” people. Why would I want the IDF to take control of Gaza?
Hamas surrender would PREVENT Israel from occupying Gaza. If Hamas wouldn’t have taken the hostages in the first place Israel wouldn’t have attacked Gaza.
Is the current Hamas strategy working for the Gazans civilians?
So yes, if you want to support Gazans civilians, and prevent Israel from occupying Gaza, you should push Hamas to surrender and return the hostages.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Hamas, the group which controls the Gaza Strip, has ruled out any more hostage releases until Israel agrees to a “full cessation of aggression”.
Fighting continues in Gaza, with Israel bombarding the north and south of the territory and Hamas firing rockets at Tel Aviv.
Among the Palestinians reported killed were the director of the police station in the southern city of Khan Younis and a daughter of the head of the Gaza health ministry.
The week-long truce this month brought an increased flow of aid into Gaza, where the UN has warned that the population is at risk of famine if the war between Israel and Hamas continues.
In a statement, Hamas said: “There is a Palestinian national decision that there should be no talk about prisoners or exchange deals except after a full cessation of aggression.”
Early on Friday, the territory’s Hamas-run health ministry put the overall death toll there since 7 October at 20,057, including at least 8,000 children and 6,200 women.
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Fighting continues in Gaza, with Israel bombarding the north and south of the territory
So everywhere
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I know. The comment was for other users to read.
Talking about the text. I didn’t address the bot lmao
Israel can’t defeat Hamas without catching them in a lethal, collaterally damaging strike on Qatar. The Holocaust of Gaza will continue until morale improves.
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they torture their hostages whereas Hamas doesn’t.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You have to hand it to them - lying that unashamedly is impressive! Hamas doesn’t torture…yeesh.
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whereas Hamas doesn’t
Hahaha… Right… this is hamas. As you can see no torture.
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So the pictures of burnt babies, beheadings of hostages, and undressed dead girls do not convince you that Hamas actually committed atrocities?
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Yes, of course, first the hellfire missile rounds up the children, then it ties them up with wires and burns them. Of course that is what explains the results. It also undressed women and tied them before burning them alive. Common effect of hellfire missiles. happens all the time with that sort of ammunition.
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Haha, hahahaahah. Right terrorist organization is made up, everything is made up just to trick little old you.
The site doesn’t work, but yes the hostages have all stated they were treated well after they were taken to the tunnels.
Blatant misinformation
That’s because these hostages are in the spotlight for everyone to see, they’re special.
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You can stop shilling for the hamas already.
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The Palestinian prisoners are not hostages. Comparing random civilians, elderly, and babies to convicted terrorists is Hamas level propaganda.
You’re disgusting. Just to clear the rest up, there are 1200 who are in “administrative detention”, which is where they pick up a random Palestinian off the street and put them in prison. And in people who are charged, they’re charged by a military court with a 95% conviction rate where the most common charge is throwing stones.
That is the same guilty rate as Israel’s internal convictions and is caused by police not bothering with anything that is not an easy win.
The administrative detention also has judicial checks and limitations. Also, these are not random people picked off the streets, these are terrorists or would be terrorists where, for the most part, the evidence for detaining them is too sensitive from intelligence point of view to share in a trial.
If the Palestinian prisoners were convicted terrorists, then why did Israel release them? 🤔
“The prisoners – including 23 children and seven women – were released hours after eight Israeli captives were freed by Hamas.”
23 kids and seven women… yeah, sounds like a bunch of die hard radicals!
You’re right, there are only security cameras of a few of these children running around stabbing civilians. I guess Al Jazeera forgot to mention that to you.
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Detaining 15 year old children that stab civilians is also a valid way of describing the reality. Also, according to UN and Al Jazeera, a 17 year old self proclaimed Hamas fighter that tries to kill Israeli civilians with a AK is a child. Somehow you take it to mean that he is innocent.
