• Squizzy@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I have found a lot of websites over the last few months acting up if I’m using Firefox.

    I have chrome for work and if I switch they work flawlessly. It’s small things like menus not expanding or elements not loading.

    There’s a push on unifying browsers.

    I’ve been Firefox and duckduckgo for years and it’s getting a bit annoying. Obviously the trade off is worth it I do not want the big tech products but finding good alternatives is getting hard.

    DDG has gone downhill in recent years.

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      Everyone says “problems with websites in Firefox!”

      Nobody has examples

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        I use Firefox on Linux and FreeBSD for my daily driver.

        I was not able to book flights on Thai airways website 6 months ago until I loaded it in chrome/chromium instead.

        It’s really really rare imo but that’s one example in recent history.

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          That sounds more like an issue with them using some proprietary browser bullshit than a problem with Firefox.

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            But what, practically, is the difference? If more and more websites use shit that only works in Chrome or Chromium based browsers, the effect is the same. The web doesn’t work as well for Firefox users.

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              One is a browser following web standards and the other is a shitty company adding non-standards based development features intended to lock users into there browsers.

              It was shitty when Microsoft did the non-standard features to lock in with Internet Exporer and it is shitty that Chrome does it now.

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                It’s shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don’t see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it’s going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I’m doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox.

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              100% this. People loose the wood for the trees with these kinds of things. If something doesn’t work in one browser but does in another then 99% of people are not technical enough to understand or care why not. They just know it doesn’t work. That makes it a problem for Firefox. Whether it’s by their own making or not.

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            Very possible and even probable that they’re using some chrome specific behaviour. Just like back in late 90s early noughts when so many websites were IE specific making is impossible to use without a windows installation. The effect is though that unfortunately Firefox isn’t usable everywhere. Sometimes you need chrome for some specific websites. This is especially true for some self hosted “enterprise” web apps, I need chrome for one of those too.

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        Not a very big website, but the service my therapist uses for teletherapy doesn’t support anything outside of chromium.

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          try switching your user agent. it’ll likely work fine.

          red medical will act up if you don’t use a chromium browser.

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          I don’t want you to post personal stuff but that’s still just “it doesn’t work” with no proof

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            Well, it’s a specific example, even if I didn’t give any way to test it. Better than just saying “some websites don’t work” since I’m actually indicating the particular one that doesn’t.

            I guess your two options are to trust that I’m acting in good faith when I say it or to assume I might not be and disregard the example. Either way doesn’t affect me much; I’ve already submitted tickets to the service asking for Firefox support, so with any luck it won’t even be an issue for too long.

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              After a ton of “Firefox sucks because a website doesn’t work but I won’t tell you which one”

              I don’t care to think anyone saying they is saying it in good faith

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        Wow, that random news article I hit 16 days ago where the page kept flickering and reloading, but didn’t do that when I copied the URL into Brave… I really should’ve recorded that domain so I could defend myself against some stranger online!

        Sarcasm aside, I don’t think it’s generally the major websites that you bump into this with, however, there are many edge cases that occur for plenty of folks, whether they’re in college and have to use that “secure browser” extension that only supports Chrome, or the fact that some websites, especially in business, that simply refuse to support browser and will prevent access otherwise.

        I’m a Firefox user, so this isn’t to say that Chromium is the way by any means, but hopefully to shine a little light on the fact that we’re all on different parts of the web with different experiences, questioning their experiences so that you can hopefully find an extension or something to pin the blame them does not absolve them of their experience, just a show of elitism.

        Firefox HAS gotten much better, but unfortunately, Capitalism’s gonna Capitalism

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        I couldn’t submit a support ticket for id.me (the IRS’ stupid commercial partner for Identity verification) when using Firefox, the submit button literally did not work. Worked fine when switching to edge (blegh).

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          I never had a problem verifying on Firefox a few years back so maybe it’s a more recent bug?

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        11 months ago

        Oh, and I can’t seem to get tiktok videos to play on Firefox on Android? Not a major issue, but my sister keeps sending them to me in particular for some reason, so…

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          I’ve always had TikTok blocked so I maybe o idea about that

          Also a privacy browser not allowing the least private thing ever? Colour me shocked

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            11 months ago

            I mean, yeah. I’m none too bothered by that one, but it’s still an example.

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          Yup I’ve noticed that too. I don’t have tiktok personally but I get links from friends and sometimes I have to open them in the duckduckgo browser (chromium based)

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        Example: The meeting webservice my bank uses is for whatever reason blocked for Firefox. Not sure if they just User-Agent check but they consciously block out Firefox users. I alerted my bank person about that but I doubt that’s going to be any different next time I have a meeting with them.

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          Are you sure that’s not an ad/tracker-blocking issue?

          I’ve seen this on twitch, for example. Trying to log in with trackers blocked will throw up a dialog saying “your browser is not supported,” but if you allow tracking, it works fine. And once logged in, you can block trackers again and the site continues to work normally.

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            Nope they explicitly state in their support forums that they do not support Firefox and the Error Message you get recommends using Edge or Chrome. This is not an Ad-Block problem

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        I just gave you an example of menus not expanding.

        I’m not dogging Firefox I’m saying there is a consorted effort made to reduce it’s usefulness.

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          I just gave you an example of menus not expanding.

          I haven’t come across a menu that didn’t expand in Firefox. Which website(s) have this issue in Firefox?

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            It was a local regulatory site that didn’t work on mobile, I did the desktop toggle and it worked.

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            And proof isn’t an example, I’m not giving you my browsing history for sites of businesses local to me.

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        The search in the Walmart site has only been working on and off (mostly off) in Firefox, but consistently in Chrome. There’s also some webpages for my university that only work in Chrome

        Edit: looks like the Walmart search is working now though for me. The only reason I even have duckduckgo browser is because walmart.com was giving me issues on Firefox

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        I remember whipping out Vivaldi (which is Chrome-based) for booking a ticket on the Interrail website: https://www.interrail.eu/en

        I haven’t fiddled much with weaker privacy/ad-blocking settings though, because I didn’t have the patience for that.

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        It happens rarely to me, and when it does 99/100 its the adblocker blocking something it shouldnt.

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        I was about to say this. I never find any websites that doesnt work with Firefox so I’m genuinely curious.

        I bet it’s their ad blocker, or they have set their Firefox settings to the privacy level that says “this will break some web sites”.

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        I can think of 2 websites that didn’t work right over the past 10 Yeats. Both were credit card payment sites and just had weird issues like couldn’t hit the submit button. I figured it out and just used edge for them. I never found any site that I use often that has issues yet.

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          “I can think of”

          no proof

          No personal stuff obviously but nobody actually has proof

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            Samsung bill pay which is a tdbank site and joss and main furniture credit payment site… didn’t think I had to list them to be taken seriously. Plus I am for Firefox, it’s all I have used for 15 years now.

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        Create any website with an element that is fixed on the bottom of the page and try to move the page in the mobile Firefox then.

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      DDG has gone downhill in recent years.

      Not as much as Google though, so I’ve been feeling like it’s been getting better and better, but it’s just a comparative feeling.

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        To me it’s worrying because it is where Google was when I jumped ship for DDG.

        I am getting tailored results that I do not want. Everything I search even with location off gives me local to very local responses.

        If I open a link and then go back to the results page all the results have changed order.

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          Makes sense. I can’t blame you for taking that position. I think we need a paid search engine: if you’re not paying you’re the product, after all.

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      Firefox + uBlock Origin and I have no issues with any websites.

      Which ones are you having issues with and what is happening?

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        their workplace is probably developing whatever website they use for chrome exclusively, mine does that too and it sucks.

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      Sometimes those websites lied that they don’t support Firefox. For example, google meet didn’t support background blur on Firefox? Change the user agent to chrome and it suddenly worked!

      As for simple stuff such as menu or elements not loading, it’s usually the dev copy pasted outdated code/css that uses WebKit/Bink-specific prefix even though Firefox already support them if they removed the prefix. Nothing we can do about that except pestering the dev to fix it or overriding it yourself using some css overrides extension.

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      DDG has gone downhill in recent years.

      I haven’t noticed this at all.

      I’ve been a frequent DDG g! bang user over the years, but now almost never have to go it. Granted I use kagi for most searches now, but my phone still defaults to DDG, and I’ve noticed that it works just fine.

      Google and therefore kagi are still better for stackoverflow indexing I believe, at least that’s how I remember it

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        What is DDG g! Bang?

        Yeah it is really odd I can’t understand why it does it because the initial reason I moved to DDG was because of their big marketing push on not putting results or users into bubbles.

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        Brave may be persona non Grata around here, but props to them for actually crawling the web. Just about every other private search engine uses APIs from Google/Bing or scrapes/proxies results from other search engines.

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          Yeah exactly, and its the only private search engine that actually gives me good results for tech troubleshooting, although if another private browser gets equivalent results I’m jumping ship immediately

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        Saying that you use Brave seems to result in instant downvotes in lemmy. Kinda makes sense given the fediverse demographic simply don’t align with Brave’s CEO.

        Also, mentioning Kagi often results in replies accusing ads and shilling because Kagi is a paid search engine (with free trial), but it worth checking nonetheless. They reached 20k paying users recently, not bad for a new paid search engine. The fact they’re able to convince 20,000 people to pay for search engine means the search result is pretty good.

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          Oh, I also dislike the CEO, but the search engine is good enough that I can’t find a privacy-friendly alternative Edit: I am also broke as fuck so I can’t afford to pay for a search engine