Universities are also "speakers," with an independent mandate to teach, research, and pursue truth for the common good. And this requires taking sides.
No they don’t have a right to choose what their children are taught, and I’m sick of people acting like they do. You choosing not to teach your child crucial life skills or fundamental truths because you don’t want to, because it’s not what you believe, harms your child. It’s child abuse and should be treated as such.
No, choosing how to raise your child, even if it deviates from the dominant positions, is a fundamental human right. Child abuse is an extreme situation and does not remotely apply to this.
Cold abuse directly applies to this. You can raise your child in a way that is abusive, and that protection from abuse is more important than your “fundamental human right”.
I mean if I decide the way I raise my kid is by locking him in a box for 24 hours as my form of discipline, that would be my right? I mean that’s how I chose to raise him. But according to you, that wouldn’t have anything to do with child abuse…
Yes, child abuse does exist and to some extent the state has a say in how parents raise their children. But parents get to choose what ideologies, religions, and morals they teach their children, among other things. The state should have very little say other than extreme cases of abuse.
Same way you don’t tell a random man in Russia how to raise his child, you don’t tell your neighbor how to raise his child. Just mind your own business and stop pretending to have the moral high ground.
So let parents fuck up their children and possibly destroy their lives all because “they’re my children, I can do what I want”, really? They’re not toys you can do whatever you like with, it’s a life.
I disagree with your claim that it’s a right. And would you look at that? So does the UN.
I would agree that gaiting information from a child isn’t abusive, but like many things it’s not without nuance.
Santa? Sure, whatever.
Went out for drinks, but act like you were working late? Not great, but that’s your perogative.
Refuse to let the school teach about traffic lights, because you don’t like cars, and don’t drive? Uh. That’s gunna cause some issues down the road. (Pun very much intended)
Generally I think it just comes down to under preparing them for life. It’s not abusive, but intense cases of it could start approaching neglect. The Wikipedia page for child neglect does mention this:
Educational/developmental neglect is the failure to provide a child with experiences for necessary growth and development, such as not sending a child to school or educating them.
Unless your child ends up struggling with it gender identity. Then your child is at risk of suicide, like many before then, because they have to hide who they are every day and feel hated.
People are so scared and ignorant about the topic of gender identity. You can’t read a book and turn gay. What you can do is let your child know you accept and love them no matter what, and if they happen to be trans you should realize that they’re still your child. Nothing changes. You’re just telling your child that trans is bad and if you feel that way you’re wrong.
People love their children in every country and culture. The counterexamples to this are very rare. The concern that people are abusing their children by neglecting to follow gender ideology is extremely naive.
The fundamental issue with gender/trans ideology is this:
If your male child tells you that he feels like a girl, what do you do?
a. Stop loving him and tell him he is wrong.
b. Tell him he is actually a girl in a boys body, and that he should change his body irreversibly and force other people to also tell him he’s a girl, even when they can clearly see that he’s not.
c. Continue loving him but insist that he’s a boy, and should appreciate the way he was born. He may be an effeminate boy, or a gay boy (he might find out later), but at the end of the day still a boy.
Let me assert that (a) never happens. What do you think is better for the boy in the long run? Having everyone maintain his delusions or learning early on to accept reality?
No counter examples are not rare. Go to a trailer park or the inner city. I’ve lived in both and there are plenty of parents who don’t give a fuck. You sound like you’re coming from a place of massive privilege to think that.
Me thinking people are abusing their children because they demonize gender identity is naive, when it causes an increase in suicide in areas that suppress it? You need to do more research, again, what a narrow, privileged mindset.
Lol, I love how massively skewed point B is. There’s no middle ground or nuance, we have to give sex changes to children. Jesus man.
And point C is literally telling him his feelings aren’t valid and he’s wrong. You’re telling him to repress who he is, which is why LGBT suicide rates are way higher in religious areas.
You said A never happens. You are dead wrong. I’ve seen it happen. Do any research on how religious people areas treat this. I know people from both the Mormon faith and Jehovas witnesses that have been fully shunned by their families for being gay or trans. It’s literally part of their doctrine. So you saying it never happens is beyond ignorant. You’re speaking about things you clearly know very little about, you come across as living in a boomer white suburba where everyone thinks the same and there is no diversity.
Also, you end it all by calling his gender identity a delusion. Going back to the fact that you think being trans is a sickness. Just like people thought being gay was a sickness. It’s an ignorant take, like most of your comment. I don’t mean that as an insult or to be mean, it literally is ignorant, it’s coming from a place of little knowledge on the subject.
Educate yourself, please. Here is one example from this year, you can Google hundreds.
They can’t? A boy can’t look at girls playing and be drawn to that. To feel more natural presenting as a woman? Because they %100 can.
A child that age shouldn’t be making life altering decisions? At what and what decisions. No one is saying a 6 year old needs a sex change.
But you’re right, they shouldn’t be pressured into viewing the world a certain way at a young age and they don’t know better. So I can only assume you’re against teaching children about religion. I mean that can have a life long impact and they’re too young to know what to believe.
Again, no one is trying to change the sex of a child. But if a 12 year old boy wants to wear a dress, he should be able to. It doesn’t harm anyone except by way of bigots attacking him for his choices.
Also I love how you say it can’t be proved. Even though you can see suicide rates lower amongst LGBT in areas where they are accepted. And I hate to break it to you, but being queer or trans isn’t a choice. You suppressing the way your child feels doesn’t change how he identifies. They will just feel more alone and depressed. This leads to the suicide I mentioned.
I lived in Utah, I know what it looks like to see people repressed, depressed, and suicidal. I’ve seen first hand the damage your mindset does.
So saying you can’t know how a child feels about their gender is the same as a person thinking they’re a dog? Holy crap this seems like some ignorant boomer shit. Like when people say “gay people want to marry, what’s next, marrying a horse!?” No Karen, gender differences are not the same as species differences.
No they don’t have a right to choose what their children are taught, and I’m sick of people acting like they do. You choosing not to teach your child crucial life skills or fundamental truths because you don’t want to, because it’s not what you believe, harms your child. It’s child abuse and should be treated as such.
No, choosing how to raise your child, even if it deviates from the dominant positions, is a fundamental human right. Child abuse is an extreme situation and does not remotely apply to this.
Cold abuse directly applies to this. You can raise your child in a way that is abusive, and that protection from abuse is more important than your “fundamental human right”.
I mean if I decide the way I raise my kid is by locking him in a box for 24 hours as my form of discipline, that would be my right? I mean that’s how I chose to raise him. But according to you, that wouldn’t have anything to do with child abuse…
Yes, child abuse does exist and to some extent the state has a say in how parents raise their children. But parents get to choose what ideologies, religions, and morals they teach their children, among other things. The state should have very little say other than extreme cases of abuse. Same way you don’t tell a random man in Russia how to raise his child, you don’t tell your neighbor how to raise his child. Just mind your own business and stop pretending to have the moral high ground.
So let parents fuck up their children and possibly destroy their lives all because “they’re my children, I can do what I want”, really? They’re not toys you can do whatever you like with, it’s a life.
I disagree with your claim that it’s a right. And would you look at that? So does the UN.
I would agree that gaiting information from a child isn’t abusive, but like many things it’s not without nuance.
Generally I think it just comes down to under preparing them for life. It’s not abusive, but intense cases of it could start approaching neglect. The Wikipedia page for child neglect does mention this:
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Unless your child ends up struggling with it gender identity. Then your child is at risk of suicide, like many before then, because they have to hide who they are every day and feel hated.
People are so scared and ignorant about the topic of gender identity. You can’t read a book and turn gay. What you can do is let your child know you accept and love them no matter what, and if they happen to be trans you should realize that they’re still your child. Nothing changes. You’re just telling your child that trans is bad and if you feel that way you’re wrong.
People love their children in every country and culture. The counterexamples to this are very rare. The concern that people are abusing their children by neglecting to follow gender ideology is extremely naive.
The fundamental issue with gender/trans ideology is this:
If your male child tells you that he feels like a girl, what do you do?
a. Stop loving him and tell him he is wrong.
b. Tell him he is actually a girl in a boys body, and that he should change his body irreversibly and force other people to also tell him he’s a girl, even when they can clearly see that he’s not.
c. Continue loving him but insist that he’s a boy, and should appreciate the way he was born. He may be an effeminate boy, or a gay boy (he might find out later), but at the end of the day still a boy.
Let me assert that (a) never happens. What do you think is better for the boy in the long run? Having everyone maintain his delusions or learning early on to accept reality?
No counter examples are not rare. Go to a trailer park or the inner city. I’ve lived in both and there are plenty of parents who don’t give a fuck. You sound like you’re coming from a place of massive privilege to think that.
Me thinking people are abusing their children because they demonize gender identity is naive, when it causes an increase in suicide in areas that suppress it? You need to do more research, again, what a narrow, privileged mindset.
Lol, I love how massively skewed point B is. There’s no middle ground or nuance, we have to give sex changes to children. Jesus man.
And point C is literally telling him his feelings aren’t valid and he’s wrong. You’re telling him to repress who he is, which is why LGBT suicide rates are way higher in religious areas.
You said A never happens. You are dead wrong. I’ve seen it happen. Do any research on how religious people areas treat this. I know people from both the Mormon faith and Jehovas witnesses that have been fully shunned by their families for being gay or trans. It’s literally part of their doctrine. So you saying it never happens is beyond ignorant. You’re speaking about things you clearly know very little about, you come across as living in a boomer white suburba where everyone thinks the same and there is no diversity.
Also, you end it all by calling his gender identity a delusion. Going back to the fact that you think being trans is a sickness. Just like people thought being gay was a sickness. It’s an ignorant take, like most of your comment. I don’t mean that as an insult or to be mean, it literally is ignorant, it’s coming from a place of little knowledge on the subject.
Educate yourself, please. Here is one example from this year, you can Google hundreds.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/may/09/jehovahs-witnesses-coming-out-lgbtq
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They can’t? A boy can’t look at girls playing and be drawn to that. To feel more natural presenting as a woman? Because they %100 can.
A child that age shouldn’t be making life altering decisions? At what and what decisions. No one is saying a 6 year old needs a sex change.
But you’re right, they shouldn’t be pressured into viewing the world a certain way at a young age and they don’t know better. So I can only assume you’re against teaching children about religion. I mean that can have a life long impact and they’re too young to know what to believe.
Again, no one is trying to change the sex of a child. But if a 12 year old boy wants to wear a dress, he should be able to. It doesn’t harm anyone except by way of bigots attacking him for his choices.
Also I love how you say it can’t be proved. Even though you can see suicide rates lower amongst LGBT in areas where they are accepted. And I hate to break it to you, but being queer or trans isn’t a choice. You suppressing the way your child feels doesn’t change how he identifies. They will just feel more alone and depressed. This leads to the suicide I mentioned.
I lived in Utah, I know what it looks like to see people repressed, depressed, and suicidal. I’ve seen first hand the damage your mindset does.
They CAN’T feel certain ways?
How do you know this?
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What? I don’t understand why this left field comment exists…
So saying you can’t know how a child feels about their gender is the same as a person thinking they’re a dog? Holy crap this seems like some ignorant boomer shit. Like when people say “gay people want to marry, what’s next, marrying a horse!?” No Karen, gender differences are not the same as species differences.