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  • I can see the point that too many program elements get too much color, but:

    Suggesting to not color keywords and use a single color for the names of top-level elements at the same time simply doesn’t mesh well.

    I’m coloring keywords exactly because I do not want to invent a new color for each individual top-level element name or require backtracking from the (in his proposal) highlighted name to the (in his proposal) non-highlighted keyword preceding it.

    Looking at the code example here I’d be open to have less things highlighted, but where to start? I guess parameter names, but apart from that?



  • soctoProgrammingWhat are you working on?
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    17 days ago

    I’m working on Core whose primary design goal is to not invent any new features, but implement existing things correctly.

    The grammar is implemented with recursive-descent, one could define an equivalent EBNF, but I haven’t found the need to do so yet.








  • This is one of the rules I religiously follow in the design of my language.

    It’s one of the reasons

    • why I removed unary operators like ! and ~ and made -foo.bar parse as (-foo).bar;
    • why the order of elements in a type or function definition is the way it is; and
    • why I use an OOP-style value.member design instead of piping syntax like |>.





  • soctoRustthings rust shipped without (2015)
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    1 month ago

    Thanks for your reply, some replies below!

    requiring positional args to use the assignment syntax

    Not sure, maybe my wording isn’t clear enough. What I intended to say is that arguments can be named, not that they have to. In any case, the order of arguments must match the order of parameters, named or not.

    But you’re also missing one use of the impl keyword: fn func() -> impl Trait.

    That removal could actually happen, so I didn’t list it. (Rust started requiring dyn and disallowed naked trait returns with edition 2018. So dropping the impl in that position might not be completely impossible like the other uses of impl.)

    Are you suggesting using keywords/methods [for array and slice syntax] instead?

    Yes, just methods.

    I can understand someone preferring the PartialEq/PartialOrd behavior

    You can have both – that’s what’s being made possible by them not being in a hierarchy.

    I think if-let makes sense, but don’t expand it.

    It’s a bit late for that, isn’t it? ;-)

    Why? What value does -> () provide? Why not elide that?

    What value is provided by keeping it? Why a syntactic special-case for exactly that type and not any other random type?

    languages w/o them feel awkward since you’re generally limited to one statement per line

    Then fixing that might make sense. :-)



  • soctoRustthings rust shipped without (2015)
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    I went the “only let introduces bindings” route, and I’m pretty happy so far:

    if (left.next(), right.next())
    ... is (Some(let l), Some(let r)) { /* use l and r */ }
    ... is (Some(let l), None       ) { /* use l       */ }
    ... is (None,        Some(let r)) { /* use r       */ }
    ... is (None,        None       ) { /* use nothing */ }
    }
    

  • soctoRustthings rust shipped without (2015)
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    Some of the earlier ones remind me of C#'s records. Were they inspired from them?

    No, that stuff is much much older.

    Named parameters are problematic because of parameter names becoming significant to the API. See Python’s * and / in parameter lists (like def foo(a, *, b) for example).

    I think the name problem is overblown, you can always have an annotation to facilitate name changes.




  • This exactly what I described in 2021, so I’m pretty happy seeing other languages also going this route.

    Sadly, they also don’t have a solution for the follow-up question that naturally falls out if this approach – how to “unbox” generic types such that they can be used directly and don’t need some additional type to hold it, i.e.

    union Option[T] of T, None // None defined elsewhere
    

    instead of

    union Option[T] of Some[T], None // Some & None defined elsewhere
    

  • socOPtoProgramming LanguagesThe Core of Rust
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    2 months ago

    Rust devs sometimes seem to be an incredibly insecure and angry crowd.

    I mentioned elsewhere how I had very good outcomes from looking at Rust and asking “how can this be done, but simpler?” in my language, listing a few examples … and they were absolutely livid about it.