Trump’s gutting of federal agencies has only highlighted all the things we take for granted and/or didn’t even know were benefiting us. With a shutdown, that all comes to a stop, and the workers who are deemed “essential” still have to work but don’t get paid. Remember the last shutdowns?
TSA workers still have to work unpaid. ICE isn’t going anywhere. Think they’re thugs now? Wait till they’re not getting a paycheck and taking their (extra) anger out on their victims.
And Musk/DOGE? With all but essential workers furloughed, I have no doubt the dismantling and fuckery will continue except now they’re basically running around with even less supervision than they have now.
Like it or not, Schumer made a hard, but likely correct, call to see the bigger picture.
The thing I remember is last time when Democrats were in power and Republicans caused a shutdown, it ended up making people more mad the the Republicans. And in the end they decided shutting down the government hurt them at the election. But it’s just my recollection, I’d be thrilled if I were wrong.
I will never understand how Americans are dumb enough to believe you can cut taxes and pay off the deficit.
If your cuts to programs are greater than the loss from cutting taxes it’s absolutely possible. That’s simple math. Not that I agree with trump obviously but your argument is flawed.
Oh I agree. Also some of these programs are pretty important. And even the less important ones exist for a reason. I’m not necessarily against trimming the fat but it should be given more consideration than “CLOSE ALL THE THINGS!!”
They have to worry that higher taxes will cause the economy to slow down. Some economists think this is bullshit, and it probably is. But the wealthy will definitely find tax havens and bring their money there, wherever it is in the world. Look at Switzerland.
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I believe the expression is “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”
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I disagree with that take.
Trump’s gutting of federal agencies has only highlighted all the things we take for granted and/or didn’t even know were benefiting us. With a shutdown, that all comes to a stop, and the workers who are deemed “essential” still have to work but don’t get paid. Remember the last shutdowns?
TSA workers still have to work unpaid. ICE isn’t going anywhere. Think they’re thugs now? Wait till they’re not getting a paycheck and taking their (extra) anger out on their victims.
And Musk/DOGE? With all but essential workers furloughed, I have no doubt the dismantling and fuckery will continue except now they’re basically running around with even less supervision than they have now.
Like it or not, Schumer made a hard, but likely correct, call to see the bigger picture.
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The thing I remember is last time when Democrats were in power and Republicans caused a shutdown, it ended up making people more mad the the Republicans. And in the end they decided shutting down the government hurt them at the election. But it’s just my recollection, I’d be thrilled if I were wrong.
I couldn’t find the specifics in a quick Google search, and since this is OOTL I guess I’ll ask here.
And I know I’m about to be shit on for even asking, genuinely, what are the parts of the bill that will hurt people?
All the articles I could find were just how trump would weaponize the shutdown, nothing I could find stated the specifics of the bill.
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If your cuts to programs are greater than the loss from cutting taxes it’s absolutely possible. That’s simple math. Not that I agree with trump obviously but your argument is flawed.
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Oh I agree. Also some of these programs are pretty important. And even the less important ones exist for a reason. I’m not necessarily against trimming the fat but it should be given more consideration than “CLOSE ALL THE THINGS!!”
They have to worry that higher taxes will cause the economy to slow down. Some economists think this is bullshit, and it probably is. But the wealthy will definitely find tax havens and bring their money there, wherever it is in the world. Look at Switzerland.
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Let’s do it.