I haven’t even seen the fourth one. Don’t really see the need to.
The only good thing about it is the subtext of “fuck you” to the film industry. The entire film was made out of spite and that is dripping from the script.
Yes, but it wasn’t really subtext. There is a scene where they literally say warner Bros would have done this with or without us…
But yeah, fuck the film industry for the most part.
Idr the last time a decent movie came out…
Idr the last time a decent movie came out
Have you been living under a rock?
Please name 5 movies that have come out since 2020 that don’t suck.
Thanks!
Both Dunes, everything everywhere all at once, Oppenheimer, barbie, the DnD movie, spider-verse 2, puss in boots the last wish, the batman, the French dispatch, asteroid city. There are plenty more I’m sure, but those are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head.
Don’t Look Up.
Dune
Dune 2
Barbie
That’s all I got, but I just woke up. I’m sure there are more. It’s weird that two of them are remakes of a movie from the 80’s, which itself was a remake of a novel, and two of them are statements about our society. I suppose there’s a lot of discontentment in our society as of late.
So basically you are saying the only good movie that’s come out in the last 4 years is Dune?
Yeah I haven’t watched it yet, but that’s about the only recent movie I have even thought about watching.
I came here to get away from the mind virus…
Nah, I’m saying that’s all I could think of off the top of my head. I’ve mostly been watching series the last few years. They did a great job with Dune. Check it out! I’d watch the first immediately and then go see the second at the theater. It’s a great movie for the big screen.
There is a scene where they literally say warner Bros would have done this with or without us
There was no “us”. Lilly minded her business.
I don’t think ‘subtext’ is an accurate way to describe the most blatant and in your face approach to getting a point across.
First 30 mins takes place in a studio full of creatives watching their life’s work get torn to shreds, rehashed and commodified by out of touch executives. Idk, pretty subtle.
Yea it’s definitely a unique vibe to watch a high-budget action film that basically doesn’t really want to exist and is chucking a fit about it.
For my money, as a fan of the original (being old enough to see it in the cinemas and experience as essentially my generation’s star wars IMO) … I actually enjoyed watching it once I realised it wasn’t really a proper film but some sort of riff on a feeling.
Additionally, I actually appreciated the core in-universe premise of the film, which I think gets forgotten or overshadowed by everything else about the film.
Don’t.
There’s a fourth??!
I was reading this headline and thought they would make a fourth now. Guess I missed something, and apparently that’s not a bad thing.
Why don’t they make NEW stories instead of squeezing the old ones?
I think at this point, the film industry just makes whatever and as long as people show up to the theatre and party their streaming bills, they get away with it.
From a data perspective, we love reboots and franchising because we all watch em.
There is no 4th matrix movie.
There is either a complete abomination of a thing masquerading as a matrix film, or a wonderful bit of protest art mocking the big studios. Which it is depends on your view.
It is absolutely dripping with hate for the studio. I’m honestly shocked it was released in that state.
For those who haven’t seen it, the story has Neo and Trnity having been returned to the Matrix, where Neo is famous for having created “The Matrix” franshise (initially as a game).
Now the software company is out of ideas, so they’ve decided they need to reboot the Matrix and tell Neo that the project is moving forward with his input or without it, but that if he does it they’ll give him creative control.
Then more stuff happens and it gets worse, but it has zero subtlety about how and why the film exists and that nobody involved really wanted to make it. So they make the best of a bad situation bh throwing the bird at the studio.
I appreciated that part. I highly recommend pirating the film so that the studios don’t make any money off it.
There’s a fourth??!
If you count Animatrix as number 2 I guess.
If it’s on Wikipedia, it’s gotta be true!
I watch around 30 minutes and that was enough for me.
It was too painfully blatant in a way that was the opposite of entertaining.
Congrats I guess?
You shouldn’t either. It is horrible.
However, it remains uncertain if Keanu Reeves, Carrie Anne-Moss, Laurence Fishburne, Hugo Weaving, and Jada Pinkett Smith will return
DON’T! Tell a different story set in the universe. Preferably at a different time. The stories from the Animatrix could be explored further.
Why?
Money and risk aversion.
So my ex and I went to the theatres with the intention of having sex during a movie, and we picked out cabin in the woods.
We were the only people there, except for an older guy a couple rows ahead of us.
We started messing around in the beginning, but ended up stopping (kind of) and watching the whole thing. The whole premise was pretty cool, the old gods and shit.
But the matrix?
They should have stopped after the animatrix…
I just watched resurrection for the 2nd time, and holy fuck. The meta shit explaining they made the movie cause it was either them or wb is gonna do it was fuckin stupid. The whole love angle seemed SUPER stretched too…
I almost wonder if it would have been better without any of the original cast.
I also wanna know how much screen time was spent on flashbacks to previous movies.
I can’t wait to ignore abother steaming pile of shit coming out of hollywood.
Are you going to ignore another steaming pile of shit by watching it twice too?
The first time I watched it I fell asleep cause I was on edibles so idk if that counts.
The meta shit explaining they made the movie cause it was either them or wb
It was only one of them. Her sister rightly chose to stay away from it.
The whole love angle seemed SUPER stretched too…
Trinity and Neo never had any chemistry in any of the movies, so the stories being centered around their unbreakable love always seemed dumb to me. It’s just an extra part of the core story that doesn’t need to be there at all.
I agree. I love the first matrix movie, but if it has one flaw, it’s that cheesy forced love-destiny thing. They were literally acquaintance’s prior to that, friend’s is pushing it, let alone lovers.
Oh come on, just cause Keanu is a robot doesn’t mean he still can’t love!
This is my fandom, my holy trilogy.
The last movie was the original creator basically trying to sabotage the franchise, as was basically stated in the movie several times, and still, our late stage capitalists demand that nostalgia money from by digging up and raping the honored corpse of a brilliant and completed narrative. They won’t get mine.
Still, if the l Cabin in the Woods director has any sense at all, he will attempt a reboot and tell the story through a new lense… if David Zaslav, enemy of art, labor unions, and companies actually providing products/services instead of profit by tax cheats and cheaply made “Reality” garbage lets them.
They need to dive into the animatrix more, there were some fucking awesome premises there
The android, named B1-66ER, kills its owner, his pets, and a mechanic instructed to deactivate the robot, the first incident of an artificially intelligent machine killing a human. B1-66ER is arrested and put on trial, but justifies the crime as self-defense, stating that it “simply did not want to die”.
Preach.
I like the one about the runner, and the fact that people can break themselves out of the matrix if they are strong enough. I think they said there was a couple, was the Kid one of them? Give us more stories like that!
Also Matriculated was the first thing to show that the machines can join the humans side, prolly where they got the premise for resurrection.
If you like matriculated, watch the YouTube video I posted in another comment.
But yeah, if you like the premise of the matrix and haven’t seen all of the animatrix shorts, give them a watch.
Ah yes, “self-substantiation.” I also liked how it intentionally added to the mythos of the kid that was nodded to in the movies, sort of a lesson in there is no single path to enlightenment/ascension.
Yes! I knew there was a name for it but I haven’t nerded out on the matrix in a while.
I don’t really wanna write for wb, but a cool idea would be that the matrix patched the ability to take a red or blue pill, so they have to come up with a new way, some kind of Dmt smoking shit that catapults you out of your pod.
Another new way to self-substantiate would be cool. We’ve seen the kid jumping off the roof and the runner running, maybe something like ego death? Massive lsd trip gets you out?
I could see that too, perhaps a plot about a drug that forces either self-substantiation or death.
I think it’s about drastically defying what the system predicted you could do, be it outrunning your own perceived physical limitations, or just as with the jump skill, fully committing to the unreal nature of the world like the kid.
We got a glimpse at how the architect governed the Matrix, and we can clearly see he’s obsessed with pattern prediction and it’s role on system stability, "as you adequately put, the problem is choice"
My pet theory about self-substantiation is that it comes out of a user causing an error of extreme, logic defying, committed choice that could bring down portions of the entire system because everything and everyone is interconnected, leading to emergency expulsion.
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Yeah, you thought it would be great for that, but somehow they never did. What a shame.
They definitely never made sequels showing what Neo promised us at the end of The Matrix.
They should’ve stopped after the first one.
I won’t begrudge the Wachowskis taking an easy pay day on the sequels. They get a lot of leeway after making the fucking Matrix.
Well, the fourth part is totally fine by that logic.
Sort of? I mean I blame the studios who funded it for that shit. After watching the 4th one if I had to describe it in one word it would have to be “unnecessary”.
Naw the second movie was great. Third one was okay. The fourth movie was unnecessary. Fifth one… ill hold my breath.
the second is in many ways one of the best sequels of all time, that’s my little hill I’ll die on
Breath*
I like to watch the first movie, then look up the action scenes in the sequels on YouTube
Yeah, that’s a good idea!
Go watch the animatrix
Didn’t like it.
Okay, I’m glad I’m not alone on that. There’s some interesting ideas, but it’s way too artsy, imo. I muscled through, but I don’t think I’ll watch it again.
all deserved derision of every matrix except the first, the cabin in the woods was fucking amazing, and i couldn’t remember being more pleasantly surprised by a movie like that at that time, it still gets at least an annual rewatch
If they can pull off something like Cabin where it is both making fun of the original concept, while also being a good example of the concept, that would be awesome.
Aggressively disinterested in another Matrix film.
The last one was about literally not doing that
I didn’t even bother watching the last one. Don’t think I’ve ever even met someone who’s seen it either… But hey, apparently it made enough to warrant another movie, so what the fuck do I know?
Are they up to fast and the furious 12 yet?
Close. The latest one is Fast X, which is actually the 11th movie.
I’ve seen the first three or so when they first came out. I don’t really hate the series as such, but loathe the wider cultural impact that it had. For example, it ruined racing video games for quite a while. Everything suddenly needed to have modded rice rockets with underbody lights, driven by annoying dickheads with boring, cliche back stories. It effectively ruined the Need for Speed series.
I didn’t even bother watching the last one.
You didn’t watch Revolutions?
It’s better than 2 and 3. But as a movie on its own, it was just okay.
I loved the fourth one. It’s the fitting sequel to the original one. Totally tongue in cheek send up of the franchise
That was my understanding of it when it first came out. Which is something I’m wholly not interested in as a concept. It’d just retroactively ruin the series for me.
This is a tricky one as there should never have been a fourth film (or third. or second) and I’d have usually just gone “nope” and moved on, but Drew Goddard hasn’t put a foot wrong as a director and his writing credits are solid (if we overlook World War Z), so for him to agree to do this suggests he’s got a great idea for the franchise. So I am surprised to say, I’m quietly hopeful about this.
For fans of the Animatrix, I made this back in high school:
If Lana Wachowski is executive producer how does that fit with the hypothesis of the last one being bad on purpose to kill the franchise out of desire to not make matrix movies anymore?
Also that guy Goddard has a okay-ish resume, idk. If they leave the existing plot alone and create new stuff within the universe, it may be not terrible?
But also fuck warner and zaslav, who even believes or trust them on anything anymore? First thing that comes to mind is that this must be a ploy to bundle up resurrection as an ongoing loss and claim a bigger tax break.
There are two entire dialogues in the last movie that explicitly say they didn’t want to remake it, and don’t like the style of the time now. It’s really odd to hear another one is coming.
explicitly say they didn’t want to remake it
It was only one of them. The other said she didn’t want to and didn’t.
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Y’know what? I hope they get Keanu.
I hope every actor returns, and they all half-ass it as hard as they can. I hope the whole cast does the movie sarcastically.
I hope every subsequent film from this idiot robot studio in this zombie franchise is sillier and more self-sabotaging than the last, and they keep cranking them out anyway. Let the whole thing descend into SCP cursed-VHS-tape levels of self-aware vicious condemnation. The Matrix 6 has Slavoj Zizek, as himself, explain to Agent Smith’s ghost why he’s an asshole, and Hugo Weaving just sits there, stone-faced, in a silly hat. The Matrix 7 is mostly Lana and whatsherface dunking on conservative bigots with an in-character Greek chorus. The Matrix 8 has Will Smith as Neo opposite Laurence Fishburne doing a Sean Connery impression, but it’s all a joke at Will Smith’s expense, and apparently he’s into that. The Matrix 9 brings back Joey Pants for a stealth remake of Memento that’s mostly satirizing later Christopher Nolan. The Matrix 10 is a stoner comedy. The Matrix 11 is animated, so that David Zaslov will erase it from existence, and the series can finally die.
Matrix 10 about to be good tho, Keanu can bring the Ted energy
Letting Alex Winters do set design or cinematography for any of these would be genuinely fantastic. Some upgraded Agent interrupts a conversation and Neo slaps him in clean in half lengthwise. Pan left, smack, schlorp, pan right. Barely an inconvenience. 30 frames. The machines can’t be bothered forming a big floating head, so Keanu has a pivotal debate with three flathead screws forming a minimalist face on a square inch of floor. The Oracle is now a life-size claymation figure and absolutely nobody mentions it.
Wow I have to admit I came into this post with a negative perspective. But y’all have sold me on the upcoming sequels
