GNU/Linux:
- Can I install this 20yo software?
- Is already installed.
Can I install this 20yo software?
user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reportedSUDO Can I install this 20yo software?
Is already installed.You guys are awesome!
how about this driver for an obscure 20yo laptop’s touchpad?
already installed
Actually once recently I had problems because the wifi driver (b43) for the Dell Latitude D505 (2004) wasn’t in the live Boot environment (cause un-free).
huh. Did you end up using a ethernet cable then?
Had this exact scenario with an old flatbed scanner. No win10 drivers and it never had mac drivers. Ran without issue in up to date Mint.
there is nothing to doIf you do
echo "3 6 * p" | dcin a terminal it’ll give you the result of 3x6, but thedcpart of that is software that was written probably between 1969 and 1971.That is crazy and cool! Thanks!
Old Linux software usually has to be completed from source anyway (uhh the effort) which essentially makes it future proof
I know it’s a même but Linux isn’t that good for running old app that have a user interface. Old command line interface works perfectly but that’s mostly for developer.
windows make it available to everyone.
It’s one of the few things windows does better, might as well recognize it.
Old command line interface works perfectly but that’s mostly for developer.
No. I’m comfortable with command line tools, and I’m far from being a developer. People used DOS etc. as well without being developers.
Well, unfortunately there are sw inside windows that are even older
25 year old Windows programs work better in Linux with wine than in Windows 🤣
it got so extreme i installed wine on wsl to run a few old programs because windows 11 dropped support for some libraries
That’s absolutely hilarious and I don’t doubt it for a second.
Wine is the most stable ABI on Linux 😂
What a fuckin lie. Can’t play some Windows 7 games on Windows 10 or above but on Linux it works.
I will always remember Battle For Middle Earth working first try on Linux after spending hours fighting with it on Windows
That game is a classic.
- “Can you run on this 20 y/o piece of hardware?”
- Linux: “hold my beer!”
Only if you use 15 years old distribution. Linux actually drops support of older hardware faster than Windows, it just doesn’t happen consistently. Old drivers are maintained by volunteers so if someone wants to spend their free time on a driver for 25 years old hardware then it will work. But the moment that single developer disappears or stops caring then this driver is booted from the kernel fast. Supporting old hardware isn’t the goal of Linux unless someone make it their goal (and core developers don’t care either way as long as it’s not their job).
I mean, tons of old drivers are on the repositories of major distros, you just have to install them. Just because it’s not in the kernel as pre-configured doesn’t mean you can’t just add it.
That’s never been my experience in the slightest.
Ah, jeez, it was just a joke.
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Linux:
User: Can you install this 50 year old program?
Linux: it’s already installed
No you can’t because the dependency doesn’t exit anymore.
Then compile it from the sources
Yes because that is more user friendly than running an executable through a built in compatibility layer… suure
Who tf wants usability when shit just has a solution no matter what. Additionally its an old program that a normal person wouldn’t even try.
On windows shit just doesn’t work and the solutions are most of the time not even existing.
If you’re trying to get ancient software to work I think “user friendliness” is the least of your concerns. Especially compared to the alternative (Windows) where the answer is just, “No: That’s not going to work no matter what you do.”
Have you heard to Good Word of our Lord and Savior, AppImage?
User: Linux can you install this software from this ancient obscure operating system?
Grep is from 1973 so yeah.
Tfw compatibility for some old Windows programs and games is better in Wine than in modern Windows
Most people will need internet connection to Google specific commands to run or install the most trivial things, and it won’t always work depending on what distro you’re using. Oh you’re using MX Linux? Goodluck downloading a Plex client installer and just clicking it to install. Maybe use Snap but then good luck creating a shortcut with just a right click.
Limux won’t replace Windows anytime soon, not if even enthusiasts need to Google almost everything.
Bold of you to think I’d install a Plex client when I can just stream video in my terminal with mplayer in glorious ASCII.
And why would you search the internet when there’s a manual built right in?
Gonna be honest, this isn’t my experience, a lot of stuff just doesn’t work on Windows anymore
I can get those same programs to work fairly easily on linux though using Wine/Proton
Windows is def better than Mac for backwards compatibility, but nah dude it’s not even close to perfect. Ive had better luck using wine for old windows programs
In my experience, Windows can install a 25 year old program, but it won’t work
Not my experience. I’ve had multiple old games and an old printer that just straight up didn’t work under Windows. On Linux however (using wine for the windows exe’s) it usually does run. Sometimes it does require some googling, but there’s usually someone who tried it before.
Games are actually the hardcore compatibility test. They are much less compatible than the average piece of software. That’s due to them using much more of the hardware/low-level-APIs of the OS, but also due to DRM and Anti-Cheat-Software (where applicable).
And printers are also (for some reason) super difficult. Probably because they are cheap, planned-obsolescence pieses of crap hardware, which are chock-full of DRM.
The spooler spanning userland a d kernel address space was never going to go well, either.
To be fair, it went a lot worse than people thought, but that’s probably because printers were cheap to produce and beancounters find programmers expensive
The last point is probably the biggest issue. Even if for some reason a prodigy embedded dev ended up working on super cheap HP printers, they wouldn’t get the time and budget to actually push the drivers/software/firmware past a barely working state.
And if there is more budget to burn, it will be allocated to DRM measures like blocking 3rd party ink.
Shouldn’t window’s compatibility mode solve most of those?
Should, yes, but I find it often doesn’t.
Yeah, it’s a real hit and miss affair, that thing…
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Do current Windows versions even start anything that was compiled for pre-Vista? I thought they don’t?
Yes, you can start almost all 32 bit software in Windows 11.
Yes. It’s 16bit app support for win3.1/95 stuff that ran in the DOS layer that’s depreciated, but even then they’ll sometimes run.
We still have some ridiculous genetics algorithm running inside dosbox, of all things, in an App-V virtual environment deployed across a farm of hundreds of Citrix servers running inside various VMware hosts and published up to some geneticist freaks at the hospital I look after.
It’s absolutely insane…
I tried to install Civilization 2 from a CD on Windows 10. It didn’t work.
there’s workaround but it’s a pain in the ass… https://www.myabandonware.com/game/sid-meier-s-civilization-ii-453
basically
- the game use old
.bindisk file, you must convert it to.iso - mount the
.iso - run the
setup.exeto install Civilization II
I’m unsure if this is doable with Windows, but when using wine there’s a simple workaround for this:
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4849Mostly it boils down to copy the whole civ2 directory as-is.
- the game use old
More like “Installing… Do you want avast or X or Y installed along with it?” No thanks, I very much prefer Linux package managers.
This has been a great boon to me. Whenever Apple upgrades Mac OS, I check my regional equivalent to craigslist for cheap music gear that stops working. Has worked twice for me. I got a really nice 24 channel audio interface for 20 bucks.
My dosbox and multiple attempts to build VMs of windows 3.1 say this isn’t completely true
Man, I hate to break it to you, but the Windows version from 25 years ago is… Windows 98.
I know, I know. I’m so sorry. I felt like that when I noticed, too.
What did I ever do to you for you to hurt me in this way?
Win98 software also do not work reliably on modern Windows. Microsoft abandoned that kind of compatibility a while ago for a mix of both good and bad reasons.
You will have better odds of running it on ReactOS or Linux.
Wait, that can’t be true… Oh crap it is. I feel extra old now.
Buddy. Buddy, please shut the hell up :')
