(Most) humans love having sex. Sex is widely considered to be very good and enjoyable. So the fact that birth rates are declining says a lot about the state of the world.
It’s possible to have sex and still not have kids…
I think the point is that incentivizing people to have more sex isn’t the answer to a declining birth rate.
Incentivising people to bone amidst falling birth rates is like addressing a broken leg by handing out painkillers.
I know
News flash for wealthy authoritarian parasites around the world, because you all seem ignorant of this fact:
Declining birthrates are a direct result of the simple fact that more people all the time decide that they have no desire to bring children into this world, and that in turn is a direct result of the fact that you’ve turned this world into a warped, corrupt, toxic, authoritarian shithole.
You have no one to blame but yourselves.
My wife and I both work over 40 hour weeks. We are pretty comfortable especially compared to our friends and family members and we are not even close to buying a house and don’t have time to raise a kid and still think it’s too expensive to do so.
And if the world were a just place instead of a twisted shithole designed to maximize the privilege of a relative few wealthy and empowered parasites, you could work fewer hours, make the same or even more money and afford a house.
But instead the system has been warped so that you have to work long hours for insufficient pay and still can’t afford a decent life, and all so that a relative few executives, board nembers, bankers, investors and politicians can siphon off the bulk of the wealth you generate so that they can buy more houses and bigger yachts.
I disagree. There’s a lot of reasons why people don’t have children, including:
- emotional devastated youth (abandoned by parents, addicted to smartphones, misunderstood by society)
- people can’t find partners for this reason
- too much stress from too much work
- wages are barely keeping up with inflation, and I project they will in fact not keep up in the long term in the US due to missing labor protections and decreasing demand for labor.
- rising cost of living because politically, nobody really cares about the population.
edit: sorry i realized i made these points US-specific but you were talking about russia, sorry.
They aren’t necessarily US specific. Wages not keeping up with inflation and rising cost of living is a factor from South Korea to Japan to Singapore as well. Some countries muck it up themselves like China with their one child policy back in the day (even the Chinese fertility rate has dipped below 2.2, I think).
Well, it’s only a very, very recent problem in Japan. They had stagnation for decades. Little to no change in wages, little to no change in prices. In 2011, I was making something like 33,000 USD per year there and living very comfortably with ample savings and what the Japanese considered to be a large apartment. It’s a pretty affordable country, aside from travel. Or if you want to live in a fancy place in a desirable big city neighborhood.
(And yes, I have been to Japan since then and know that things have changed somewhat. It’s still cheap compared to the US. Food is so cheap, it’s amazing what you can get.)
- Women get educated
- Women get their own money
- Women get control over reproductive rights and tools
So much of our world is based around women keeping it on the rails without receiving credit for their efforts.
No - actually I was talking worldwide. Russia’s just a notable example.
And I would say that all of the things you listed are, directly or indirectly, consequences of the fact that wealthy authoritarian parasites have warped societies to their benefit regardless of the harm done to others, so are actually examples of exactly what I’m talking about.
In a developing country rates also go down with civilization as people learn how not to breed like bacteria. But once it’s about choice, that starts to be a good list. I’d almost list safety as a common theme in them. And in Russia… yeah.
One point I want to add: Throughout most of human history, it was economically beneficial to have lots of children. They were your retirement plan (and cheap labor).
In most developed countries, this is no longer the case. People who want children get one or two, just to scratch the itch, but that’s not enough to sustain the population (without migration).
rising cost of living because politically, nobody really cares about the population
Well, interest rates were just raised to 19% in Russia. So good luck financing anything.
You say you disagree but all those points seem to fall under what they were arguing for.
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industrialization is linked with lower birth rates. Its probably because people need room to breath to fuck around.
I REALLY wish it weren’t against TOS to log into my Fedia.io account, and my piefed account to upvote you 3 times.
It’s weird just how much he looks like Michael Keaton there.
have they considered not sending everyone to ukraine to die?
At this point they don’t even need to go to Ukraine anymore, they have Ukraine at home to deal with
That’s right! Ukraine comes to you!
Every day, that final bullet comes closer and closer to putins head.
That’s something, at least.
I want to show more empathy, but the dude made the choice to start a new war in the nuclear era when we cannot afford war anymore. (And yes, I’m aware he’s not the first.)
I wonder sometimes if we face a choice between strictly rejecting his kind (war starters) from our species, or accept that our species is destined to cease to exist.
“his kind” I a agree with that…Hitler, Putin, the Spanish kings, the Federalism kings, the various Chinese rulers that ended in massacres same for the Japanese. The Egypt old assholes and their new assholes. The Mexican government and the drug lords who rule Mexico and South America. Trump, George Bush. Sadam Hussain, fuck face who ended up under the sea like the little mermaid from the Taliban. Etc etc. it’s a sea of just asshole after asshole. I agree with you. As soon as a leader seems off, the constitutions should allow the people to swiftly remove them. There are plenty of brilliant minds around, there’s no need to put forward the worst ones.
Nah, he needs babies for the meat grinder.
If the fertility rate remains below 2, it will become harder and harder to wage war. And if it femains below 2 long enough there will be nobody left to wage war (or die in it).
So please sacrifice your precious time, health and money for your future children. Do it for the love of war!
Don’t forget the inability of the rich to keep you in poverty wages when there aren’t 50 people waiting to replace you at every job!
They’re doing a great job of removing young men already…
Soon enough all those ads about hot Russian women near me might become a reality!
They’ll be advertising in China with all those extra men.
The discrepancy is lower than reported because rural families just didn’t report female infants, but regardless, don’t give them ideas, they might just buy some slave soldiers from Xi.
Wow that sounds terrible… Especially with encouraging employers to increase birth rates, a lot of sexual assault/harassment is going to be swept under the rug.
Yeah, that seems to be the point. He’s again appealing to his macho fascist supporters by further enabling abusive behaviour. Domestic violence has been decriminalized for years already in Russia, violence against outgroups is allowed/encouraged, they have a national snitch on your neighbour system, … It’s become a true fascist society.
Newsflash. We’re talking about conservative Russia here. It already was :/.
It can always get worse.
I miss the innocence of my younger self when I thought the ending of the Russian World War Z POV was a bit phobic and not prescient.
It’s Russia, after all. Their entire history has been often summarised as “… and then things got worse”.
Yo, you think Republicans aren’t listening and taking notes? In fact they WOULD encourage sexual assaults. at work and everywhere else - gotta produce babies. It’s how they roll.
Also they think it’s their only hope of sex, because nobody willingly chooses them.
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Finally, my hitting on that hot coworker isn’t inappropriate but patriotic.
If only there was something he could do to reduce the death rate in Russia
Maybe barred windows? So many people seem to die from falling through windows there, apparently all terrible accidents
Orrrrr…and hear me out…they buy better tanks, and train their military so they don’t take so many casualties.
I mean, longshot here, but I GUESS they could technically stop trying to invade Ukraine, retreat their troops back into proper russia borders, and sign a peace treaty…naaaahhhhh, that would never work! If it were THAT easy, they never would have chose to start a war they would lose so badly at! SURELY they only started this war because there was a good reason, right?..right?..guys?
What are you talking about? Day 935 of the 3 day war is going great!
Depending on the industry banging your coworkers will not increase the birth rate.
If he’s concerned about the population, he can just stop sending young men off to war…
He is not concerned about the population, he is concerned about not having enough young men to send off to war.
Seriously! Stop sending off the young men who could be fathers to die in Ukraine. At some point Ukraine will have killed over 1 million of these people that should never have had to leave home.
Plus the estimated million+ who smartly fled Russia in the first year of the war.
Not until he’s gotten through all of the peasants who live in the countryside.
“Being very busy at work is not a valid reason, but a lame excuse. You can engage in procreation during breaks because life flies by too quickly,” he remarked
Yes, birth rates are falling because nobody has time to fuck. That’s definitely the problem…
Yep because as everyone knows the biggest time consumer associated with raising children is the conception. After those few minutes, you never need time for the children ever again.
Well of coarse they don’t have time to fuck…they’re all too busy filling out paperwork for all the dead bodies that keep piling up.
I.e. “Time flies when you’re not having fuck?”
Make Love Not War!
Apparently Putin wants both.
Make Love I Got All These Soldiers Killed And Need More
Russian navy:
oh god… seamen… seamen everywhere, in every compartment, inescapable. The seamen pervade everything. Save yourselves. And use cold water to get the stains out.
I’m kinda skeptical that the constraining factor on Russia’s fertility rate is frequency of sex.
Need fresh bodies for the burger mill.
Those damn juicy Advent burgers
does putin think two women can make a baby?
In 4.5 months, actually!
Probably not. But have you considered one male authority figure and a cohort of female underlings?
I think I tasted a bit of bile in the back of my throat when I read your comment.
I don’t know if he thinks that…but I would love to watch them try! Maybe throw in some oils, and handcuffs? I mean, I’m not even worried about the baby. I just want to see the ladies do their thing.
Just go crank it to some porn. We didn’t need to read that.
