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NANO GANG RISE
for everything else, there’s sublime.
I do everything with cat, sed and awk.
Fuck your TUIs.
But how do you write your awk script?
uses ed
The only Dad advice you nerds need:
mcedit from the Midnight Commander (mc) tool is the superior text editor.
I don’t even run arch, btw.
I’m a simple man. I see midnight commander, I think ‘dang, I need to use it more, stop calling me out’
What is Again! ? Never heard of that text editor
I like evil/spacemacs because I can get my vim fix virtually, because emacs from a software engineering perspective is beautiful!
If I wanted to hear about what’s good about Vim, should I:
a) ask what’s good about vim
-OR-
b) assert blindly that there is nothing good about vim so fanboys will come crawling out of the walls tripping over each other to tell me how I’m wrong?
To add to your line of query, what if I don’t give a shit about writing code and I just use Linux as a casual laptop user? I’ve never looked at vim or emacs, I use Kate and OnlyOffice
Depends on how much you write. At some point the efficiency gain is probably worth learning vim anyway, but Kate is a nice editor and does the job.
I just like vim, it feels nice.
What kind of things would we be gaining efficency for? Markdown? It seems graphically to be a very spartan program. If I’m only writing text, what value would I gain from learning vim versus a graphical text editor that incorporates markdown and page design?
If you want to do document editing, then neither vim nor Kate are editors that do that. They are for editing text. You can write markdown, if you like, and then use pandoc or other tools to convert that to a printable document. I always use LaTeX if I need a pretty output, but that also has somewhat of a steep learning curve.
What you gain is the ability to manipulate text very efficiently. It’s hard to describe, but it kind of feels like a lower overhead protocol of communicating to the computer what i want it to do to the text compared to “normal” editors. Again, if you only rarely write stuff, it might not be worth it, but it feels great
Doesn’t matter we will tell you either way.
- Instead of simply shortcuts, vim uses “chords”. Every new shortcut I learn can be combined intuitively* with all the other shortcuts I know.
- Because of this there’s no faster way to edit files than Vim in the hands of an experienced user.
- this let’s me spend almost no time editing code, freeing up the rest of my time for swearing at piss poor documentation.
* I use “intuitively” here in a way that not merely stretches, but outright abuses the definition of the word.
Thank you for telling me all this neat stuff! :D
I think I get what you are intending to imply by the word “intuitively”; it’s that it eventually becomes as reflexive and fluid as touch-typing itself.
Gosh you make it sound almost like you play Vim like an instrument more than use it…!
Honestly that sounds cool _
It’s intuitive if your previous editor was ed(1) and you’re using an ADM-3A-like keyboard.
Vim has been around long enough that I’ve found anything I want to figure out how to do has been discussed many times on various places around the internet and have yet to fail to find what I’m looking for with a search.
They’re both fine choices.
You shouldn’t talk about vim at all! Just write that vscode is the most flexible code editor.
Don’t use Microsoft’s version. Use Vscodium! :)
I’ve seen vscode fill up home directories unnecessarily when run on the machine directly as well as remotely!
IMO vscode is a perfect example of recent software that looks great from a features pov but horrible from an efficient implementation pov. I loved it until I hated it.
I’ll stick with my trusty Emacs (and Zile)
Is the whole point of this community to repost tired old memes or are ya’ll just painfully uncreative?
:q!
No, we also use arch btw.
yes
Helix <3
vanilla helix is so nice, the keybindings make so much more sense and it feels really comfortable
Yeah hx. It was hx that finally made me use vi style navigation and now I choose vim over nano almost always.
I’m halfway between hx and vim, I vastly prefer the helix/kakoune philosophy of selection, then action over vim, but I’m dearly missing plug-in support for Helix
I was going to point to visual.nvim as a possible middle ground, but it’s now archived :(
Disclaimer: I haven’t actually tested it myself
I’m just gonna be patient. Vanilla Helix is very much usable for everything I need it for at the moment, with built in LSP support, and plug-in support is on the horizon. Not sure when exactly, but it’s gonna happen eventually
Yeah I’m with you there, vanilla helix meets basically 90% of my needs so I’m not in any real rush to change
Neovim >
Still don’t like it.
Repeat as necessary.
qa Ienjoy<ESC>q 200@a
Why would I subject myself to unnecessary suffering?
One must imagine you happy
Once you try Vim you will never use another text editor. Or any other program for that matter because you won’t be able to exit.
Emacs
I also had that experience with emacs, which has a built in help system. I couldn’t find a topic on ‘exit’ or ‘quit’ and refused to just search online.
Took me half an hour.
and refused to just search online
Unless you were f*cked by your ISP as I am right now, that’s having some balls. Or being masochist. But nothing in between
I’m editor bilingual but im a bit rusty in Emacs, so skill check: its C-x C-c right?
Yes. Though I believe it only kills the current frame if there are multiple
Genuinely took most of my notes in college on vim, when you get good it’s just faster.
I’m sure someone already made a graph plotting the hours wasted learning vs the seconds gained not moving your mouse.
Nice.
I’ve been using Vim daily for about 20 years, it saves me 30 minutes at a time regularly.
I’m approaching break-even on the learning curve!
I’m kidding…mostly.
This. If it was your sole tool for daily tasks it makes sense, once a month to edit a config file…not so much.
When I started working we had HP Unix Silicon Graphics systems, VI was our only text editor…so I have some commands as muscle memory. The rest of commands I open my tractor feed help printout from 30 years ago
nano just works for me man
Getting used to vim has made nano unusable for me. The muscle memory is too strong. That and all of the regex and plugin features (ex. LSP) are just too useful.
I had the same experience. Nano is great if you’re used to notepad or a generic, limited text editor.
Once you learn a terminal editor like eMacs or vim, why go back? So much less hand motion going to mouse, arrows, and back.
I liked Micro just a little bit more than Nano
I tried Micro and I found that its just Nano with a better interface and much easier to use. Its great actually but I like the vim movements.
