Consensus seems to be disliking this change, but curious if there are other perspectives

  • Sundial@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    I miss the long shows personally. I didn’t really feel it until I finally binge watched all of supernatural a while back and made me realize how much I miss those episodes just dedicated to funny or stupid things and the world building it does. I still laugh at the episode where Dean turns into a dog and tries to shoot a bird who poops on his car. The teddy bear in that episode was also halirious.

  • Makeitstop@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    A show should get as many episodes as it needs to tell the story it wants to tell in the best way possible.

    Forcing a show to fill 20+ episodes with a set runtime often leads to lower quality filler episodes. It’s also a lot harder to do with the more serialized style that audiences have gotten used to. Babylon 5 showed that it could be done, but it takes a lot of skill, effort and planning.

    On the other hand, having only 6 to 8 episodes can be infuriating when a show isn’t laser focused on telling a narrowly scoped and tightly scripted story. It can be done, but many shows waste precious time on tangents and subplots at the expense of the larger story. There’s less time for character development, foreshadowing, subtlety and pacing. Again, it can be done if it’s planned well and the writing is good, but often it just feels like a longer show that’s had essential material cut and rushed the plot because they didn’t plan for the amount of time they had. We still get the filler, even as they struggle to squeeze the story in. Can be especially bad when every episode has a different writer, and no one seems to know where the focus should be.

  • ryan213@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    I don’t like the long wait but I prefer it compared to the lots of episodes every year. The quality is just so much better and there are no filler episodes.

    I’ve always watched a lot British shows so I’m used to it.

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
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    2 months ago

    I dislike what is behind it: increasingly greedy media companies squeezing writers and actors. Prior to the rise of prestige shows on cable, writers and principal cast would have a year contract and would get paid well enough to make the one show their only job. Now they need to look for multiple jobs a year, and there’s little to no guarantee for writers that they will get asked back for the next season if there is one.

    The war against writers specifically is also part of why there are so many remakes and sequels and adaptations of existing work: writers get paid much less for those than they do for original work.

    All that said, I think shows should have the number of episodes they need and should come out at a pace that ensures quality. Rick and Morty and Venture Brothers are both examples of shows with an unpredictable release schedule that did not harm how enjoyable they were.

  • MimicJar@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I don’t mind the fewer episodes, assuming the story still works.

    As for waiting, I don’t wanna to wait, but I’d rather have higher quality content, so I’ll wait if I have to.

    However the split seasons are the most annoying.

    As an example, Invincible. Season 1 came out, I think 10 episodes, one a week, great. Then season 2 was 5 episodes in the fall. Then a break for a few months, then 5 more episodes. That wasn’t great. The show had already taken ~2 years between season 1 & 2, then to just get part of a season, then a few months away, then the rest. That sucked.

  • kandoh@reddthat.com
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    2 months ago

    That filming schedule required to release 24 episodes at 45 minutes a pop was pretty insane. I definitely don’t want the crews making the shows to need to return to that brutality

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    2 months ago

    Dislike it because I forget what happens, but worst of all it hasn’t resulted in better follow up seasons to make the wait feel worth it when it comes back and knowing that it’ll be another few years before the next season. House of the Dragon has been the last show I got into since the industry shift towards higher production leading to longer gaps.

    And it’s felt like higher production has led to worse writing because the shows can’t afford to progress the story at a decent pace.

  • hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I think we’ve hit the other end of the pendulum and release length.

    The traditional 26 season episode, each year like clockwork format had a lot of issues. It lent itself to TV shows with an episodic format, and a lot of episodes tended to be forgettable.

    In that context, less episodes and more time to produce is great. However it’s gotten to the point where I think that philosophy is fucking up show quality in a different way.

    First, a lot of TV shows have taken the “less episodes” philosophy as a way to cut costs. There are a ton of TV shows where I feel like important plot developments are either left out or rushed because they have to jam everything into eight episodes. Some are even going to six. Showrunners are blatantly doing this to save time/money, not to produce a lower quantity higher quality product.

    Second, a lot of “filler” episodes were actually good for the show as a whole. A good amount of them had subtle character development and world building. This allowed for a much more robust main story. It also allowed writers to try out unique concepts that often ended up being fan favorites. With the eight episode format, TV shows often just end up jumping from major plot point to major plot point in a way that feels empty.

    The long time between releases also can ruin the emotional investment in a TV show. With the best TV shows, you often feel some connection to the universe and the characters. Waiting a long time between releases breaks that connection. Stranger Things, the show that in many ways popularized the modern TV format, is the perfect example of this. It’s been a decade, two years since the last episode, and everyone is pretty much done. There’s probably a ton of lesser shows that died because viewers just moved on.

    Finally, some shows should be episodic and have 26 episode seasons. We live in an era of binge watching. Older episodic shows with tons of seasons and episodes continuously outperform the high budget new stuff, yet nobody seems to ask themselves if maybe there needs to be a strategy shift for new content.

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    2 months ago

    So I don’t mind shows having less episodes than they used to (I mean the 24 EP per season ones) but 8 and worse 6 EP are way to short. 10 is good but I think the best is like 12-15 range like ‘sons of anarchy’. As for the time between seasons way to damn long It should not be more than a year to new season tbh. It is stupid to think we are going to wait till 2026 for season 3 of HOTD for example.

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    2 months ago

    I never watched the second half of Invincible season 2 because they had a mid season break for an eight episode season and I forgot to go back to it.

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      2 months ago

      oh man, Attack On Titan… that had the be the worst release schedule I’ve ever seen

      I gave up on that show

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    2 months ago

    There’s too much content. I cannot keep up with even just the shows I know I want to see.

    So it doesn’t bother me at all. Quality over quantity.

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    2 months ago

    I don’t necessarily care about fewer episodes if the story is still good, but the long waits mean I’ve hit the point where I generally won’t bother to watch something until it’s over. I don’t feel like investing myself if I don’t know when/if the next part is coming, so now I wait until every season is out to start watching.

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    2 months ago

    I’d probably mind less if I were younger. Those in the industry are not the only ones trying to “survive 'till '25” - I’m having to make healthier life choices just to make sure I get to see season 2 of Andor.

  • rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com
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    2 months ago

    I’m not really a fan of the long wait times between seasons, but I think it’s fine if a season is only 8-12 episodes instead of 20 as long as the writing is rich enough to make up for the reduction in runtime. I’ve been watching Slow Horses for a while (Gary Oldman is great in it) and its seasons are only 6 episodes long, but it’s got a lot to it.