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So this is probably a plan to call out Elon musk’s stupid “pay to sign a petition” plan. Basically just buying votes. The more attention these schemes get, the more likely they will be made officially illegal.
Sort of a Satanic Temple maneuver. I like it.
From Apologize.lol
Cards Against Humanity is exploiting a legal loophole to pay America’s blue-leaning non-voters to (1) apologize for not voting last time, (2) walk us through a step-by-step plan of how they’d vote this time, and (3) post “Donald Trump is a human toilet” on social media. This whole thing should probably be illegal—so quick, give us your money before they change the law!
Highly recommend giving the whole thing a read. It’s pretty funny (and messed up)
Isn’t that like buying votes?
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“America’s bluest non voters” and “tweet Donald trump is…”. Looks like they are only paying if you agree with their politics. That is buying votes. Offering it to all non voters is one thing but the other requirements make it shady. Just as bad as Elon Musk “sign a petition”. neither should be permitted.
blue also means sad…LOOPHOLE! (You know…the whole point…)
That is buying votes.
No, it’s not. Specifically because they aren’t actually requiring you to vote - they are paying you to make a public apology, post a tweet, and come up with a plan to vote but not based on whether or not you actually go through with that plan or vote at all. That distinction is the specific legal line they are walking.
They know
Everyone is posting about getting paid for their apology. I did my part by getting a pack, and I want to post, too. What should I post?
You should post:
How is this not illegal??? Cards Against Humanity is PAYING people who didn’t vote in 2020 to apologize, make a voting plan, and post #DonaldTrumpIsAHumanToilet—up to $100 for blue-leaning people in swing states. I helped by getting a 2024 Election Pack: www.Apologize.lol
That’s the point. Draw attention to the illegal shit Musk is doing so that maybe the one remaining judge in the US who wants to uphold the Constitution might do something about it.
You’ve got a point, if Elon did this for the right people would be screaming corruption, paying people only if they agree to vote the way you want them to is shady as fuck regardless of which side is doing it
I’m probably just joining you in getting dogpiled here but oh well
But… he is doing it?
I’m not following, I don’t live in the US. If he’s doing it too that also sucks but I don’t think stooping to that level is the way to solve that problem
Then read through the website linked and understand what is going on here if you’re not following.
Having read up on the article about musk doing this, he’s not restricting it to people who are going to vote for a specific party which is the thing I take issue with.
Nothing wrong with paying people to vote in general, paying people only if they are going to vote the way you want them to sucks
It’s been pointed out that he is in fact doing it, several times actually. I’m actually pretty sure this is directly a result of the Muskrat doing it.
I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not, because Elon actually is doing that.
In both these cases, the payment technically isn’t directly for voting for a specific candidate. The payment is for an unrelated action that only someone voting for your candidate would agree with. Either way, still smells bad.
I’m not being sarcastic, and I don’t follow American politics that closely so I didn’t know about this. I also don’t see why people think the right response to that is to just do the same thing though
They’re doing it specifically to point out how bullshit it is. Read the FAQ: https://apologize.lol
That’s fair enough if it’s to raise awareness about the fact this is legal, doesn’t seem like that’s the main focus though
Because being this blunt about it will likely get it made illegal.
The payment is for an unrelated action that only someone voting for your candidate would agree with.
Supporting free speech and gun rights (literally all the petition says) is something only a Trump voter would agree with?
You think Musk supports free speech in any way, form or shape?
Didn’t say that.
But the petition is being sold here as “pledging to vote for Trump”. which it plainly isn’t. It’s also been sold in this Lemmy thread as paying voters to sign a petition that only Trump voters would ever agree to sign.
The petition that allegedly only Trump voters would ever agree to sign, only states that you support free speech and gun rights. Whether or not I think Musk actually genuinely supports those things (I don’t) is irrelevant, that’s what the actual petition says.
He posted it on X under his account…it might as well said “maga only”.
I can’t actually find the tweet you’re talking about but I’m assuming he’s deleted it or something
From what people are saying it sounds like he was just paying non voters to vote at all, not restricting it to only people who shared his political beliefs
I’d applaud it if that was what CAH were doing but they’re specifically whitelisting people they agree with to be able to get the money, IE paying people to agree with them
They are paying “people that didn’t vote in 2020”. It is ultimately a foil of Musks rightwing, but not reaaalllyy wiiink. Just theirs it more aimed towards blue voters, but only because the right struggles to insult their godking…but ultimately it is just words and not telling them to VOTE BLUE. Just like Musk is trying to get his predominantly red crowed to register and get paid, but not TELLING them to vote red
It is completely asinine and a symptom of our trash system.
Cah literally say in their FAQ that this is only offered to “the bluest voters” and imply (whether it’s true or not I don’t know) that they have information about who’s voted what and when to verify that
Well, they are specifically doing a call to action to vote, part of their “offer” is that you make a plan to vote. But they aren’t saying you have to vote for a specific party.
But they aren’t requiring people to follow through on the plan.
Merely paying you to vote at all is illegal. But they’re not doing that - they’re paying you to make a plan to vote, to post a tweet and to make a public apology. Nothing says you have to go through with the plan to vote, merely that you make one - and that distinction is the legal line they are walking.
They are specifically paying for a plan to vote.
No more so that Elon
Not a great game, legendary company!
Is Kamala that unpopular that you have to pay people to vote. This is Hilary all over again. And yes I know it’s response to Musk but this wouldn’t have been necessary with Obama.
It’s necessary because of all the money the other side has pumped in to getting morons to vote for a moron.
If we want that to stop, I think using the same tactics while pointing out how it shouldn’t even be allowed is a pretty good strategy.
Read through their statement https://www.apologize.lol/
Seems a bit patronizing to imply non-voters exist because of republican propaganda and not apathy caused by generations of being fucked over by politicians on both sides.
I’m not saying don’t vote, or don’t vote blue, but don’t expect non-voters to give a fuck about what you have to say when you dismiss their concerns and imply they aren’t voting because republicans tricked them.
It’s absolutely patronizing, but it’s honest about its intentions.
I don’t get your point. I’m saying that belittling non-voters and misrepresenting their motivations is fucking horrible way to get them to vote.
Liberals should spend less time berating leftists and more time criticizing their politicians for being shitty candidates.
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If you feel belittled that’s on you.
They don’t need to stop. What they should do is adopt progressive policies that will excite the base. Number #1 would be stopping all arms sales to Israel.
The 2 party system forces politicians to do 1 of 2 things:
- Lie to and manipulate uneducated voters into thinking they’re the best option.
- Only enact middle of the road policies everyone likes to get voters in the middle to swing the vote in their favor.
Our two party system is too entrenched to ever pass laws to remove itself, thus this will always be how politics works in the US. We should all be focused on some form of multiple choice voting like ranked choice if we ever want something different than the above, but I see no reality where the dems and gop come together and dilute their own power by making this a reality.
You egg. A far left candidate would lose to Trump so hard that the climate would be forced to turn into magma without any more help. Elections are about choosing the better of two options. Nobody us going to put up a candidate you agree with on everything: no such candidate exists.
Jesus Christ, this guy is going for Gold in the 1500 meter Moving Goalposts Sprint.
I’m just trying to help. You’re the one desperately buying votes.
I’m just trying to help.
To clarify: in what way are you trying to help?
Providing advise that will work. Anyway y’all ain’t gonna listen so hail Trump I guess.
I’ve only heard you JAQing off. What’s your ‘advise’ [sic]?
Oh this again.
K the Israel thing isn’t going to happen. It’s fucked up, I know.
Anyway, that’s not what we were talking about. We were talking about money influencing politics. That’s what needs to stop.
You’re only flippant about Israel because you’re confident Harris will win. I’m going to laugh at all the liberals if Trump wins a second time because you didn’t take the concerns of the youth vote seriously and thought you could appeal to enough moderate Republicans.
People who give a shit about Palestine (and I find it weird you never actually used the word Palestine) will not take the course of action that will make things significantly worse for the people in Palestine.
The people who do nothing about a situation are still better than the people who want to make it so much worse.
How is not voting for the perpetuators of genocide “taking the course of action that will male things significantly worse”.
Do you understand what genocide is? It really doesn’t get any worse.
The current American government is not actively involved in the bombing and is at least paying lip service to “this is bad and should stop”.
Trump is on record saying they should carpet bomb the whole area and be done with it.
SAY ISRAEL ONE MO TIME MF.samueljackson
I meant to say Chalk Zone, because it doesn’t exisit.
A lot of people are lazy and just assuming Trump will lose, won’t vote. Others it’s a challenge because they have to take time off work as voting day is not a holiday in the US. Additionally some polling locations have long lines, something notoriously common in low-income areas. People have been known to wait many hours just to vote and so not surprisingly these areas often have lower turnout due to frustration.
Friendly reminder that most states are now permitting at least early in-person voting for all voters, if not mail-in.
Only three states offer neither…NH, MS, and AL. Those ones, people have to show up in person on a random-ass Tuesday.
Can they target the electoral college since they’re the ones that overturned the popular vote in the first place???
I know this is a response to musk’s bullshit, but this makes it sound like trump won the popular vote in 2016. He did not.
Can I just do all those things and take $100? I’m already planning on voting but it’d sure help.
Read their FAQ (it’s quite informative and pretty funny too!). Afaik you can if you actually didn’t vote the last time, lean blue, and are eligible to vote in a swing state
I think it is confusing for a company to do nice things.
The FAQs are a riot in the Campaign PAC site.
Funny but it has to be illegal right?
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paying for apology, making a plan of voting, and a tweet?
super pac gaming baby. Who needs legality when the supreme court just fucking explicitly allows it.
They have a pretty fun FAQ on the campaign site explaining the legality of it.
Ok that was both funny and depressing in equal measures.
Its also coming after elon started tweeting that he would pay people $47 for registering swing state voters in support of trump.
And apparently if you register in his site with CAH as the referer, they’ll be obligated to pay CAH.
it is not and this is where we are at.
I can’t buy the card pack from Canada 😡 I wanna help
I live in texas. Send me a venmo link. Ill buy the cards through their portal, ship them to you, and match your contribution to elevatedaccess.org to provide funding to individuals in need of abortion transportation and gender affirming care. I already fly for them. This is the least i can do. Lets go.
Canadians don’t have Venmo either 🙃
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Thank you for being a good human being!
Legend
No easy way to send money over the border. No venmo, and our ‘interac Etransfer’ doesn’t work for American banks :/
I got a buddy in California who’s gonna buy it and ship it to me
PayPal isn’t great but it’s a relatively easy way to send money and very common.
There’s also Wise, and various other smaller apps.
I did not know that. Til.
The offer still stands, through alternative means apparently.
How great is etransfer, though? Venmo seems like total trash from what I’ve seen of it.
It’s offered as a free service through our major banks.
No fees for transfers up to 5k (I think?). Nearly instant transfers. Pretty hassle free
Yeah, i love it and use it often. I may not have expressed that rhetorical thought well!
It was early for me lol. Missed it completely
I love how we’ve managed to come full circle. In the early 1900s buying votes was open and totally normalized.
Obviously it’s fucked that Musk started this, and while it’s pretty rad to see CAH surpass his dumb ass, this isn’t going to be the end of it. This is just the genie getting loose.
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There’s a fun bit on the official website where they tell you how to get Musk to pay them $47.
https://petition.theamericapac.org/
For those curious.
Consorship right?( Smartass lib)
What’s the legal reasoning behind it?
I’m not a lawyer so I have no idea. I was just providing the link from the image.
I think it’s because Musk is offering money to people who get other people to sign up and pledge to vote Trump.
It doesn’t say anything about voting voting Trump, just blindly saying you support the 1st and 2nd amendment. Like I will gladly and openly say I completely agree with that, but there’s not the slightest chance in hell I’m voting for Trump.
Cards Against Humanity however is very carefully threading the needle around committing election fraud. They’re paying you to make a plan to vote, but not based on whether or not you actually follow that plan and vote. The latter is very explicitly turnout buying, what CAH is doing is possibly just far enough away to be legal. I’d be shocked if no one uses them over it though as close as it is.
CAH is also clearly saying “what we are doing is fucked up and shouldn’t be legal.” They are bringing attention to the fact that this shouldn’t be legal to encourage laws to be updated.
Yeah, but CAH is cutting it much closer than Musk. Bribing people to sign a petition that says you support basic constitutional rights you already have is a lot farther away from buying votes or buying turnout than what CAH is doing, which is walking as close to the line as they think they can get away with to show just how far out the line is.
just blindly saying you support the 1st and 2nd amendment. Like I will gladly and openly say I completely agree with
Which funny because they’re simultaneously phasing out parts off the first amendment.
cards should be working as dem strategists
I love how we’ve managed to come full circle. In the early 1900s buying votes was open and totally normalized.
Literally one of the reasons we switched to a secret ballot (it’s less effective to buy votes if you can’t know who they voted for) in the first place. The first places to switch started in the 1890s, and the last state to switch over did so in 1950.
If only I lived in a swing state. Then my vote could have meaning and I could get paid for it.
Must be great to live in one of the seven states that’s allowed to decide our election thanks to the electoral college.
Yes, so you vote this year, get others to vote, and then spend the next 4 years working to overturn the electoral college and get ranked choice voting implemented. If you truly care, that’s where you’ll direct that passion.
Stay focused.
If you truly care, that’s where you’ll direct that passion.
Here’s a question: are you doing all of that yourself?
It just sounds to me like you’re attempting to say that people shouldn’t care or shouldn’t be frustrated if they’re not willing to spend every waking minute of their lives working towards change. And yes, while change does take time and effort, asking average citizens to go above and beyond doing their civic duty of voting is a bit much.
This genuinely sounds like usual Republican rhetoric of “if you cared so much it wouldn’t be this way.”
Yeah, swing states are where it’s at. From Nate Silver’s forecast, the states most likely to tip the election (as of today, Oct 9).
I live in the Philly suburbs and it’s disturbing how many Trump signs I see in my area. I really really fucking hope he doesn’t win this state.
it’s up to you guys stop stop your neighbors from voting (as well as cast your own ballots). i would use any tool in the bag. this could be the end of the world if he wins. i don’t feel like that’s an exaggeration.
I’ve already mailed in my ballot. Not sure what you’re suggesting in terms of stopping my neighbors from voting but that sounds highly illegal.
Show me one law that explicitly states it’s illegal to build a 10ft wide moat around my neighbor’s house
Presumably that qualifies as vandalism unless you own 10 feet of property in a ring around his house, which is an uncommon situation. Depending on the wording it might also qualify as attempted kidnapping or unlawful imprisonment or something along those lines.
I just looked up the vandalism laws in my state and I didn’t see the sentence “building a most around your neighbor’s house is illegal” anywhere, so I think I’m in the clear
I mean, you can vote and still get paid; I don’t live in a swing state but I got a whopping $0.17 for my efforts! It’s moreso about getting a voting plan together.
Funny isn’t it. 95% of Americans are effectively disenfranchised but nobody gives a fuck.
If only I lived in a swing state. Then my vote could have meaning
You presumably live in a state where you are firmly in the minority party? Otherwise you very definitely don’t wish you were in a swing state.
To put it simply, swing states are just the biggest states that are purple enough that you can’t safely predict what will happen. States like Texas or California going purple would immediately make them the most important swing state by far.
The GOP is terrified Texas might become a swing state. If through some strange alchemy California were to become a swing state it would be an existential threat to the Democrats.
I fucking WISH we would go at least deep purple. Ive been seeing “Cats for Kamala” and “Harris Walz 2024” all over the place, and while it makes me happy, I also have to remember that I live in a very blue city in Texas. Im worried about all the rural people who are literally afraid of society.
So you do live in a state where you are firmly in the minority party, and thus the state going purple can only benefit your party. Imagine you with your current politics moved to California, would you want it to become a purple state?
State and local elections still matter outside of the electoral college!
I’m aware. I already participate in those.
Doesn’t change the fact that my vote regarding the highest office in the country is a pointless effort.
Chaotic good
Damn I could have made 147$ this election if I was in a swing state lmao
Great way for me to learn Ohio is considered a lost cause I guess? Not sure if i disagree (or care), for that matter; I want out.
Always has been.
Every trump election we’re assumed for him. I had hope in 16, but and maybe this year, but I think it’ll take issue 1 to drive us there
Now that you mention it, anyone still using Twitter could just go right now and tweet Donald Trump is a human toilet for free. And they could right now. Go do it.
This is some bullshit, I can’t even lend a hand
American politics forces itself on me and I can’t even vote in their elections, that’s fucking bullshit. No spamming without representation!
Same here! As we all would be victims if Trump get reelected, I’d like to support you and buy those cards!
I’m not Canadian, nor British. I demand an apology! And a proper insult to my nationality! 😄
Based on your .nl, I will assume you are tall, ride a bike everywhere, and love cheese. But I’m sure some yank will find something offensive to call you. Just be patient.
as a British pervert, I’m guessing you must be the Canadian?
British pervert
Don’t worry if anyone sees you…
All the lights are on, but the blinds are down.
Nope. I am neither, and I get the same text. It’s probably US Only.
So for the first time we don’t get lumped in with the yanks, we get lumped in with the Brits instead???
We just can’t win.
Canada is the comma of nations. Technically it’s supposed to be there, but no one notices if it’s missing.
Canada’s influence is so weak they couldn’t even convince the world their bacon is actually bacon.
Canada’s claim to fame is being slightly more interesting than North Dakota.
Canada’s national anthem sounds like an apology letter set to music.
Canada’s idea of influence is having 90% of their population living within 100 miles of the US border and constantly asking “hey what are you guys up to, eh?”
Canada only exists today because it is America’s hat and the founding fathers drew a line way farther south than the British originally thought they would. You can actually find the map used by the British which showed just how much territory they were willing to give to America after the revolutionary war, it’s wild to think about.
I’ve enjoyed every time I’ve ever been to Canada except for one time when a young truck driver and his friend at a bar took offense to me calling him an asshole for being rude to the bartender, tried to beat me up in the bar, got kicked out, and then over an hour later when me and gf called a cab and left, he and his friend popped up from behind a snowbank across the street and sprinted at us.
We got into the cab before they got there, the driver was confused, we told him to lock the doors and go, and then the dudes got there and started beating on the windows screaming for us to get out. Then the driver got it and peeled off.
Alcohol: it’s not for everyone. But I almost have to admire the dedication to wait outside behind a snowbank for over an hour in the middle of winter just to try to beat someone up for saying “don’t be such an asshole.” Turns out not all Canadians are nice!
You can actually find the map used by the British which showed just how much territory they were willing to give to America after the revolutionary war,
This piqued my curiosity. It took some digging but I found what you’re referring to - any other curious readers can search their favourite engine for the following:
“Oswalt red line map treaty of Paris”
There aren’t many sources and none are particularly high quality, but it’s certainly interesting.
