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Israel could kill everyone left in Northern Gaza if its assault on the enclave continues, a United Nations relief official warned on Saturday
“Hospitals have been hit, and health workers have been detained. Shelters have been emptied and burned down. First responders have been prevented from saving people from under the rubble. Families have been separated, and men and boys are being taken away by the truckload,”
Msuya estimated that Israel’s actions in the north had killed hundreds and displaced tens of thousands. According to Al Jazeera, an Israeli siege on the north that began earlier in October has killed around 640.
“The Biden-Harris administration must stop the flow of U.S. weapons to Israel which constitutes a necessary step to halting Israel’s ongoing war crimes,” IMEU wrote on social media Saturday. “It’s time for an arms embargo now.”
That defence holds about such water as a colander. There is so much evidence to the contrary that it boggles the mind. They have bombed hospitals, schools,
bomb shelters,kettled the entire population into a tiny parcel of land in the southernmost tip of the country while they finish levelling the rest of Palestine, and stopped all aid, journalists, water, and food entering the country. And then to add insult to injury they bomb the safe zones.A country’s right to defend itself does not extend to this. This isn’t defence.
Do they expect the civilians with blown off limbs in bombed-out hospitals to walk to these not-so-safe zones? How do they expect the entire population to survive in these cramped conditions with no access to critical food, water, and medicine heading into winter? (Hint: they don’t.)
Thank you for saying this.
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So…even if they didn’t, you’d be fine with the hospitals, schools, safe zones, etc? Just because of one fuckin flimsy ass excuse from Israel? And have you seen proof of every school, hospital, et al that’s been bombed being used by Hamas? Are you not asking for proof of that? But when the people are being fuckin slaughtered, you need proof that EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN safe haven had been leveled before you fuckin stand up for the people facing a goddamn genocide? Wheat the fuck is wrong with you
But fine.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-palestinian-civilians-safety-airstrikes-f38f27da1dd995acc14e6db1524761e7
I have heard from attacks on schools, hospitals, and safe zones. These were all used by combatants and thus legal military objectives under international humanitarian law.
I have never even heard of bomb shelters existing for civilians in Gaza.
…do you even hear yourself?
These people don’t have bomb shelters. WHERE THEY WERE TOLD BY ISRAEL TO SHELTER, THEY WERE FUCKING SLAUGHTERED. THAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM YOU GODDAMN MONSTER
Don’t engage with troll. They are either bot, or have no plan to engage in any form of discussion instead utilities your time, to read news or maybe send letter or share the news with people around you. It is more productive to stop the genocide than talking to a bot or an idiot online.
Hamas has hundreds of kilometers worth of bomb shelters.
Yeah…but Hamas isn’t the people of Palestine. Hamas is a brutal fundamentalist regime.
That doesn’t mean Israel is not committing genocide.
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Excuse me for getting emotional over a fucking genocide. I find it strange that you’re not emotional over a clear as day genocide happening with all the proof in the world in front of our very eyes. And how you’re defending genocide as just a necessary step because of some flimsy ass excuse I simply don’t understand. I’m a human, so I tend to, y’know, passionately dislike genocide. What makes you defend genocide, if you don’t mind my asking?
I wonder if people were dismissed during the holocaust for getting emotional about the slaughter of innocent people.
They were, people were twisting themselves in knots to deny the absolute horrors being conducted in the Holocaust and by Imperial Japan. People from the allied nations. There are people doing it to this day.
Yeah, for sure. I meant that as a pointed rhetorical statement more than anything
This attack was four days ago
I mean, evacuation is impossible at this point isnt it? Where would they go? Back to the levelled north? Force their way into Egypt? The fact that they aren’t all dead yet doesn’t disprove that Israel’s intent is to cause it, they just haven’t finished yet.
That’s not a bomb shelter.
Why doesn’t Egypt open the border? Why is there no evacuation of refugees by sea?
Oh sorry, I misread the article. It turns out Israel bombed a school that was situated in a refugee camp. It was being used as a shelter, that’s much better.
But I looked into it and apparently Gaza doesn’t have bomb shelters, so it would be hard for Israel to bomb them, I suppose. Too expensive to build while embargoed and not prioritised by their government, I will strike that from my comment.
There are many reasons why they are reluctant. Do you think Egypt has the facilities to house and feed 2.2 million refugees? Does any country?
Why should Palestinians be forced to leave when Israel insist they will not allow them to return to their homeland?
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Yeah, Hamas are bastards. They have not allowed elections and ruled dictatorially for a generation, and do not have a right to think they represent the people of Gaza. The innocent civillian Gazan population don’t deserve to suffer as a result. Hamas have done horrible things, not building necessary bomb shelters from an oppressive Israel is one of them. The lack of bomb shelters in Gaza does not mean you or anyone should condone bombing of a civilian population. They had the nerve to talk to NYT to say they were getting PTSD from running over too many unarmed Gazan civilians with a bulldozer. Actions like this make Netanyahu, and the complicit IDF and encourageable Israeli voting population bastards.
That this needs to be spelled out is depressing.
Is there, in your opinion ever a situation where the death of civilians is an acceptable trade off to reach military objectives?
For example: a school’s roof is used as a launch pad for rockets and its basement serves as weapons storage.
They aren’t reaching military objectives. They are bombing schools and refugee camps with the intention of forcing the Palestinians to either leave Gaza or die.
We don’t live in a Marvel-comic world of good versus bad. This is a terrorist organisation keeping a country hostage, versus a de facto autocrat with a doctrine to ethnically cleanse and reclaim Palestine for just inhabitation by jewish people.
In a population of 2.3 million, there are estimated between 20-30,000 Hamas fighters.
So far, Israel have killed 41,0000 Palestinians since last year. Going back further, Israel have killed 138,000, Palestinians since 1948 as they have slowly reclaimed Palestine.
And last time I checked, Hamas aren’t in the West Bank, yet both IDF and Israeli settlers killed 642 Palestinians in the West Bank two months ago. How is that a military target?
There are utilitarian stances you can take on inadvertently killing civillians to achieve military targets with the aim of ending the war sooner, but this is just genocide.
Because they don’t want to finish like kadhaffi
Just thousands of deaths from starvation, not millions, totally not a genocide. /s