Green politicians from across Europe on Friday called on U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to withdraw from the race for the White House and endorse Democrat Kamala Harris instead.

“We are clear that Kamala Harris is the only candidate who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from the White House,” Green parties from countries including Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Ireland, Estonia, Belgium, Spain, Poland and Ukraine said in a statement, which was shared with POLITICO ahead of publication

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    a post I made earlier:

    If Harris loses California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Hawaii, Vermont, DC, or Maine-1 because of vote-splitting by Stein, it will be Harris’s fault. If you’re voting in these states, you might as well vote your heart.

    https://lemmy.world/post/21147692

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    European Greens must be dumb as fuck then, because the US Green party exists to:

    Get

    Republicans

    Elected

    Every

    November

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      and republicans exist the dnc can put a boogeyman every election so we will have to vote for these corrupt scammers. our political system is so broken that we either get lobbyists controlled genocidal hacks or a dumb racist genocider.

      its like asking to eat either dogpoop or vomited dogpoop

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        Two sides of the same coin am I right!? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

        I grew up listening to Rush Limbaugh and other hate radio. There is no liberal comparison.

        They regularly called for the death of liberals amongst other horrible shit. The toxicity comparison is ridiculous when the other side is liberals saying they wish conservative voters were not misled.

        I get you don’t like the government. I don’t either, but this is not a god damned game of good cop bad cop.

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          they are the same vocal minority as those on dnc side who have said if trumps wins then they want all muslims who didn’t vote for harris to be deported to gaza.

          they two parties may not be the same but they are both bad and corrupt enough that we need to start voting them out. after 2016 primaries i have no confidence in dnc to not rig the primaries against an actual liberal candidate again.

          there are easy things harris can still do to improve her chances but she is not even moral enough to disapprove genocide, progressive enough to disapprove fracking. she has failed upwards in the corrupt dnc as a token minority whose career has been of a smug prosecutor who has only looked down on minorities.

          but hey why not just run a propaganda campaign against jill stein who has been pro-climate since 1998.

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    ah if only they could also ask harris to tell israel to stop bombing medical supplies and food for kids. i mean israel is going to say fook off to us anyway to us. but just issue a statement. is that too much too ask ? they can still kill any kids and civilians they can get their hands on but atleast don’t let them starve to death ?

    the extent of indecency of both campaigns. god i hope there is a hell in afterlife.

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    Jill Stein is funded by Russia. Every multicellular organism knows this by now.

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      Yup, even my friend Fred the Fungi was just yapping about this, told me to follow the money.

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      any proof ? and are we to ignore the dnc has significant funding from aipac to enable them to murder kids with our tax money ?

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    Haha they must be new to this, Jill Stein isn’t running for president, she is running to split the vote like they paid her to.

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      Of course they know that. They’re saying this to make exactly this point. While the average US voter will be entirely unaware of and oblivious to what some pinkos from cheese eating surrender monkey land say, potential green voters just might take notice.

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    Third party candidates. The real threat to america. /s

    Will she get any votes? Tune in next time on Election Ball Z!

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      No joke, I know two people voting for her because they believe it demonstrates people want a third choice. Sigh.

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          If they live in swing states they are.

          Ideally third party candidates could get concessions from either Republicans or democrats in exchange for an endorsement. Kennedy got some completely insane concessions from trump for example.

          But Stein hasn’t been reported to have asked the dems for anything. Which means the green party is trying to get trump elected. My guess is that Stein got concessions from trump to stay in the race.

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        and they are very much right. current dnc is more pathetic that any republican govt before. they could have won it by landslide by having aoc or even just putting even symbolic sanctions on israel. but they don’t to set a precedent that people’s opinion can be taken into account. instead they continue spitting on us forcing lobbyists controlled genocider to spit on their voters. not everyone is going to fall for this trick third time in a row.

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    I think Europe’s Greens can calm down at this point. Trump is doing enough to prevent his own victory. I’m looking forward to Tuesday night, and the ensuing impotent shenanigans the Trumpublicans are going to entertain us with as they piss all over themselves.

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      Hes actually still projected to win by a lot of stats. For example, the FiveThirtyEight simulated election outcomes LINK and also the 270towin polling map no-tossup LINK

      So I guess prep for the dissolution of NATO and the final world war culminating with the end of mankind.

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          Or, that person can do whatever they want, what do you care if they want to fret and express their concerns? You aren’t the wise sage of the internet you think you are.

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    Good. I was apart of the Green Party, I left when I learned they were planning of running a candidate this year, when internally, we were floating around the idea of NOT running a candidate.

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      That’s interesting insider info. Was the reason for not fielding a candidate because of this particular issue (splitting the vote)?

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        Can’t say exactly, it was just floated around, I’m guessing it was for that specific reason, but that was around the time I was thinking of leaving for other reasons, they are VERY unorganized as a party and it really, really bothered me. The way smaller Transhumanist Party seems more organized than the Green Party.

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          Probably because running a presidential candidate is a waste of money unless your intent is to split the vote.

          Start local, gain influence, work your way up.

          Edit - to those downvoting, the Green Party literally has zero representation, even at the State level. And you want to jump straight to POTUS. Riiight.

          Get one state senate seat. Get one House of Representatives seat. Get some kind of representation. Then you have a bargaining chip.

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            The threat of splitting the vote is a good reason to run, if you feel like your position isn’t being taken seriously enough AND that it’s important enough that everything else is worth losing.

            The problem is that the majority of the Democrats are on board with green initiatives. The only holdup on the $10T program before was Manchin. She has now pivoted RCV, or more specifically destroying the duopoly because they are the enemy for “reasons”.

            Also, she’s said that she wouldn’t pull out even if the Dems gave her what she wanted. So it doesn’t really work as a threat either.

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              Eh, threatening to split the vote might in theory get some campaign promises, but such promises are likely to evaporate when things get down to it.

              Meanwhile if you actually hold a persistent presence in the house or senate, particularly when it’s close, you got ongoing leverage. Hell, folks like AOC, MTG, Boebert have an absurd amount of national influence for being elected by merely a singular district.

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    People really need to stop assuming every Stein voter is a stolen Harris vote. I’d rather stay home than vote for Harris.

    I suspect the actual pushback is to prevent the Greens from reaching the 5% voter threshold, and making them a more viable party.

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      Everyone gets downvoted from time to time. In this case the reason is that you’re pro Trump. Perhaps not in philosophy but certainly in action. Which is all that matters.

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      Tell me you don’t understand a first past the post voting system without telling me.

      For real though, you sound like an idealist, a perfectionist, who lets good be the enemy of perfect. I don’t think you actually want a conversation - you want others to hear your voice and opinion.

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      Yep.

      But you’re in lemmy.world, and the commenters here are just looking to pick fights with rational thoughts like yours.

      They are scared and are lashing out; I get it. But it’s still not okay. Randos telling you you’re supporting Trump is disingenuous garbage. They won’t care that you still voted in congressional races and local issues.

      I appreciate comments such as yours. Please don’t be dissuaded from making them in the future.

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    Why does she need to do this before the election? They can just form a coalition after the election if Kamala doesn’t win

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      This is to elect the President. In a presidential system, as in the US, you choose the leader of the executive portion of government separately from the legislative leader. In a parliamentary system, as many countries in Europe use, the public doesn’t choose the leader of the executive portion of government. Instead, they just vote for representatives in the legislative portion, and then those legislators form a coalition (if necessary) and choose a leader of the executive (the prime minister). The closest analog to coalition forming in the presidential election is doing exactly what the Greens are proposing above – having a candidate drop out and endorse another, with the hopes that they can sway their supporters. It’s basically what JFK Jr did, for example, with Trump.

      While hypothetically the US could form legislative coalitions, in practice, due to the way the US electoral system works, US parties are essentially equivalent to electoral coalitions in parliamentary systems already – we already form “big tent” parties necessary to control a house. In the US, the closest analog to this sort of thing actually happening after the elections is when you hear about something like “an independent legislator who caucuses with the Democrats”. The US also has weak party discipline compared to many countries in Europe, so legislators are much less constrained to vote along party lines anyway.

      Different systems, function kinda differently.

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        But I keep hearing how the American system isn’t democratic since you don’t directly vote for the president, you vote for some middle person who promises to vote for your president? Those people might not be members of the parliment but they can still form coalitions after the fact by voting for who has a chance to win

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          you don’t directly vote for the president,

          Well, okay, so, the US does have the electoral college, and strictly-speaking, you’re choosing electors that choose the President, but the election is and has for a long time functionally been a direct one. That is, you know the person that you are voting for in voting for the elector. Some states don’t even constitutionally let electors vote for anyone other than the person they have pledged to vote for, and in any case, the electors are chosen by the parties, who have no incentive to choose someone likely to vote for anyone other than the candidate that they’ve pledged to vote for, so it’s not really an aspect of the electoral system in the normal case. While false electors exist, normally as a protest vote if they know that their candidate can’t win, they’re rare and have never altered the outcome of an election.

          This came up this year in some discussion in the context of what happens if a President drops out after being placed on the ballot but prior to becoming President, which I assume is what you’re thinking about, so that the electors cannot vote for the person on the ballot, and in that situation, yeah, they’d have to find some kind of fallback.

          But that’s a pretty limited corner case. That is, they don’t just have a blank check to go out and build coalitions and select someone.