“Unlike Kamala, I will support Israel’s right to win its war on terror. They have to win! And instead of pandering to the Jihad sympathizers and America-hating radicals, we will deport them.”
- D. Trump, verbatim, on Nov 6th.
But yeah no, this will definitely improve things.
How dare Trump minimize Kamala’s unconditional support for israel committing Genocide.
“Voting for Harris won’t change this foreign atrocity!”
Foreign atrocity remains unchanged, but now you’ve got domestic atrocities.
“See! I’m helping!”
whatever. best of luck palestinians who are still in existence in this moment.
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Go ahead then. Explain the difference without making shit up.
I guess the Israeli far right preferred Trump for no reason.
Notice how you didn’t actually give a reason?
Do you really need me to Google for you why the Golan Heights president is likely a worse outcome for the citizens of Gaza?
Fine, how about his commitment to arm Israel with no strings attached? No humanitarian aid, no cease fires…
Anyone who thinks the Muslim-ban president is a good outcome for Gaza only cares about the real estate value of Gaza.
how about his commitment to arm Israel with no strings attached? No humanitarian aid, no cease fires…
Oh you mean exactly like right now?
Anyone who thinks that orange man is an improvement is an idiot. But anyone who thinks Kamala would be better is also an idiot.
Israel is already getting everything they could ever wish for. There is nothing that Trump could offer that they’re not already getting, including protection from the international community.
The AIPAC donations in the primary went to Nikki Hailey. Trump started receiving his cheques after he defeated her.
Is he in their pocket now? Of course. But he was not their preferred pick.
Why wouldn’t they? You made yourself fascists by chasing him but that doesn’t change the fact that he was there before you. Of course they prefer him. Just like the American fascist voters you failed to swing.
Being a loser doesn’t absolve you.
One mostly exports the genocide to the third world
The other wants to bring it home.
Go ahead then. Explain the difference without making shit up.
Task: Failed
Now, now. They made a distinction. It was just between the value of white lives and brown lives.
Person A wants to kill 1 million people.
Person B wants to kill 50 million people.
You: “what’s a trolley?”
The delusion you’re suffering is evidenced by the fact you think those numbers are different
He’s right if 1 white person counts for 50 brown people
Of course, ignore all the rhetoric of trump and is ilk so you can call the other guy racist. That certainly seals the argument
Please take a step back, take a few breaths, and try to be coherent to the context you’re replying.
If I were you I would either recant my position or be VERY offended that I was accused with merit of being a white supremacist. You singled out as a distinction that the bad things would happen here. To people like you. Fairly explicit that should mean something more than the lives that aren’t yours.
This is definitional chauvinism.
Wanna take another crack at replying now?
What is there to be more coherent about? You boiled down that guy’s response to be about skin color
I don’t get it. Are you happy Trump won, or…?
Am I happy I was right when I told Blue MAGA they should stop running a campaign on Genocide and was banned from LemmyWorld?
No.
Was I right?
Yes.
Your takeaway should be to start ignoring the Blue MAGA cult who tell you to stick your head in the sand while Holocaust Harris is speaking. Criticize them and make them so unpopular that they run another candidate who is not Bidolf.
Alright. Well, gotta deal with the pain of having a criminal conman for a president on our individual ways, I suppose.
I’m not really interested in criticizing people, myself. You can do what you like and convince people to join you in whatever way you deem fit, but in my experience, they tend to shut down and stop listening (maybe it’s my delivery). I’d much rather show them there’s hope elsewhere, especially because right now, that’s what a lot of people want. Honey vs. vinegar, and all that.
Alright. Well, gotta deal with the pain of having a criminal conman for a president on our individual ways, I suppose.
By applying enough pressure that they run a decent candidate. Like how they replaced Biden because he would 100% not win after the CNN debate.
By allowing Democrats to run on a Nazi agenda and censoring dissent, the Blue MAGA crowd effectively doomed themselves.
Everyone fell in line behind an emperor without clothes. Are you really surprised the emperor has no clothes now?
No, but I’m still disgusted by the amount of gaslighting we got for the last 8 months. All Harris had to do was make a plan to end the war, but she… didn’t. And some liberals want to call it our (people who didn’t vote for her) fault.
More Palestinians will die under Trump. More Americans will suffer under Trump. More people around the world will suffer with a Trump presidency. But at least you showed the democrats…
More Americans will suffer under Trump. More people around the world will suffer with a Trump presidency. But at least you showed the democrats…
It’s almost like the tankies just want what’s bad for America and don’t actually care about palestine or human rights.
Unlike you who never cared for Palestine and actively defends Israel.
What will trump do to cause more Palestinian deaths?
What COULD he do?Israel is already getting everything they wanted, and facing zero consequences or obstacles.
I don’t disagree with you wrt American deaths, but that’s not what this post is about
Granted, Biden did almost nothing to slow it down, and kept Israel well supplied with the weapons of genocide. Do you really think it’s a coincidence that Netanyahu waited until the day after the election to announce that Palestinians won’t be allowed to return to northern Gaza though?
Granted, that was almost certainly the plan all along, but now even the fig leaf is gone. Without the need to devote any thought at all to political cover, Israel will stop even pretending to internal investigations of accusations against their own soldiers and redeploy those resources to the battlefield.
The number of Palestinian deaths may not be different, but they’ll die even sooner.
There was never a fig leaf. They already didn’t need to devote any attention to political cover, the USA already made it clear that it wouldn’t tolerate holding Israel or any of the Israeli politicians accountable in international courts.
The difference between the two is purely in wording and absolutely immaterial. If anything, trump is being more honest about it.
Trump is terrible for other reasons, but they’re both equal in this matter
The Generals plan is in full full force. Netanyahu has already fully cleansed north Gaza.
JOE BIDEN IS STILL THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.
Literally does not matter. They’re all demons, and they all maximise the suffering they inflict. If someone knew how to create more suffering, they’d share their secrets with the rest.
So, it was worth Trump getting a second term in order for you to maintain your moral purity?
Listen, fuck Harris and every other Dem who failed to condemn the war in Gaza, they all deserve to burn in hell for that.
But did you really get what you wanted out of this?
Exactly. It was a douche and a turd sandwich. Refusing to vote because “they’re a turd sandwich” is simply saying “I’m okay with the douche”. It’s a 2 party system. There are no good candidates. Only one that’s marginally better than the other. Not voting is tacitly voting for the worst one.
anyone that did not vote kamala is now in part responsible for the inevitable increased suffering that will occur in palestine, lebanon, iran, and ukraine
it really is that simple
Increased suffering?
How can their suffering be increased more than it is now?Israel is already getting everything could have ever wished for. There is nothing trump could do to make that worse.
There were other reasons to vote for Harris, but this wasn’t one.
Not a USAmerican, but by that logic:
Are Kamala, her party and her supporters who couldn’t get those people to vote for Kamala also responsible for the increased suffering?Are they responsible for the people not being convinced that the suffering would be lesser under Kamala?
Did Kamala and party show significant effort and good faith to woo those people?
Or was it the 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler thing? Asking since most online discourse I saw on it here in lemmy was like that, where they’re saying Trump would be worse, instead of saying that Kamala would be better, de-escalate stuff etc.Yes, they are morally culpable too. Even more so than the people who refused to vote for them.
That’s the thing about ethics when you actually apply it in reality; someone else being wrong doesn’t mean you’re right.
If that’s how they place the blame, then that’d be cool.
But other than that, in reality, it lilely seems to become a blame game, where they don’t want to look at why they lost the trust of the folk who they are blaming.
Though, I’m just seeing online interactions. Maybe offline interactions ae much more decent and useful.
It is your fault.
I’m surprised to see an antinatalist support Harris. Seems morally inconsistent, though perhaps not from a consequentialist perspective. I’ve been blocking everyone sharing your sentiment, but I don’t wanna block one of the few antinatalists here, so I’m commenting instead
Is Harris’ loss my fault because I voted for De La Cruz? She could have easily earned my vote, but tried to court centrists and conservative voters instead.
Being an accelerationist makes even more your fault. It is bullshit the primary was skipped, but no progressives even tried to run there so you would have a similar choice.
I wasn’t asking you. I don’t have a problem blocking you
For my part, I’m not sure it is, though lack of votes didn’t help. The meme is perhaps meanspirited so soon after the painful news, but here’s my question, and this is genuine: now what?
Trump will get to pick a bunch of lower federal judges and probably two more SCOTUS judges. What’s the way out when it seems to me that he and his jackals control the military, the police, and the judiciary? Seems like a hopeless setup to me.
Harris lost, so what’s Step 2?
Step 2 is support third parties
and then they continue to get <5% and trump gets another term… then what?
I appreciate your answers, but I still don’t follow the logic. Thanks anyway.
How did you think this election was gonna go? You think there was still gonna be enough votes for Harris? Or that by some miracle a 3rd party candidate was gonna be elected?
People with your mindset are just as guilty as the dems are. No weasling out of this shitpile were now stuck in
