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Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich endorsed President-elect Donald Trump’s victory, stating it’s “time” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.

This comes as Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu highlighted his alignment with Trump on the “Iranian threat.”

Tensions in Gaza and Lebanon have escalated following recent Israeli airstrikes, with regional leaders gathering in Riyadh to address Israeli actions.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog is set to meet President Biden, though Biden’s influence on Israel may be limited following Trump’s win.

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    And notice how all the screeching about genocide has gone silent? Proves that they never actually cared.

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    To those cowards that didn’t vote: This is on you, own it you sniveling weasels.

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    I mean, they aren’t wrong, are they?

    Hamas is all but defeated, Hezbollah is also on their back foot, and even the model caliphate, Iran, has proven to be almost completely ineffective against Israel’s defense system. Europe will make empty gestures about war crimes via the toothless ICC, and America is now totally controlled by the Republicans who never wanted a two-state peace process in the first place.

    Israel has never in their short history had a better opportunity to go for the power play and deal with the Palestinians however they please, and under Trump we can expect that they won’t get even a little bit of push back from the US, regardless of how harsh and violently they want to play it.

    I expect a fucking bloodbath and a full annexation of the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and possibly parts of southern Lebanon.

    But hey, the American people have spoken, and I guess that’s what they wanted.

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    i hope all those lefties that refused to vote feel really accomplished now.

    congrats, guys! you did it!

    you installed a fascist dictator!

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    Anyone who abstained on grounds of Harris’s position on Gaza in my view have blood on their hands in what will not only assuredly he worse for Palestinians under Trump, but also the ongoing attempted genocide in Ukraine by Putin.

    They may as well be Trump voters to me and I want nothing to do with them.

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      Most of the people spreading that bullshit here were .ml tankies and probably wanted trump elected anyway.

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      Worse than Trump voters actually. The vast majority of Trump voters have convinced themselves that what they’re doing is good, actually, and that the democrats are evil whereas the people who abstained from voting for Harris literally had a choice of a candidate that campaigned on making their number one issue worse, and one that at least attempted to talk about peace deals and decided to just have no impact whatsoever, condemning hundreds of thousands plus to certain death. They claim to be on the side of ending human suffering when in actuality, they’re little piss babies that are upset that their 10% of the population doesn’t have complete and total control.

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    LeopardsAteMyFace.

    Unfortunately, this time around, for the Americans pretending to actually give damn on social meda, Gaza will be a parking lot soon.

    Just as Trump proclaimed.

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    I remember commenting a couple months back on one of those “Arab-Americans not voting for Harris” posts, something along the lines of “it’s your vote, but I think that you’re going to find that you’d rather have Harris than Trump” and listing some past policy moves like the embassy in Jerusalem, and then someone downvoting and responding something along the lines of “identical candidates”.

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      I’ll bet you anything that that user hasn’t posted anything in almost a week. Just a hunch.

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        I’ve absolutely still seen people making those arguments. It’s fuckin’ wild.

      • TheFriar@lemm.ee
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        Do you guys think lemmy is a valuable enough target to deploy bot propaganda accounts? I’m not sure I think so.

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          Like facebook, twitter, and reddit, where there is a concerted effort, that has people working on how to specifically target the people on each one, and understand the differences in their use, and users? No, of course not. Are there bots spreading national, and corporate, propaganda on lemmy? Yes. They are literally everywhere you can make posts. I am willing to bet there are tiny fora out there, with like 10 users, that occasionally sees bot spam.

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            I dunno man. I think it’s much more likely we are seeing the product of the bots. You can’t expect every single site with comments to have propaganda bots. It takes a much smaller number of bots of bots to affect a much larger number of people. Someone has to program and deploy bots to places, the bots can’t just show up anywhere and everywhere there is political conversation

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              You can totally make programs to scrape the internet for places that have posting functionality, crawl the scraped sites, and auto post. These already exist, and you can buy them, or get them shared to you from various sources. Most of these sites use template software to run their sites. It is not nearly as difficult as people might think to accomplish this. Bot traffic is 50% of internet traffic.

              Is there a group somewhere, sitting in a government facility, working on how to best infiltrate Lemmy? I really doubt it. Do these places have general function bots that make it on to lemmy, and even smaller places? Yes. In fact, bots are causing a growing number of small sites to experience what is, essentially, DOS attacks, because of how much traffic suddenly hits the site once the scrapers/auto account makers/etc. have found it.

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      And I think you will find that there has been no material difference in what “Israel” is actually doing. They’ve been ramping up occupation and violence in the West Bank for months, going in exactly this direction already. They murdered an American activist in the West Bank as part of this and swept it under the rug using the pretense of an “investigation”, remember? The West Bank is already occupied, it is already split into isolated districts, travel is already highly restricted, there are racist curfews for those who must commute to work in Israel, forced through several checkpoints and fearing jail for any delays, giving themselves 3 hour buffers for travel tine, and their government is compradors that work with the IOF to arrest and jail them and out down resistance movements.

      The main difference between Dems and GOP on Israel is that Dems feign empathy and concern while Republicans are openly racist. But materially the outcomes are actually very similar, with Dems often being worse because they can more effectively count on your lack of dissent and in coordinating with Europe.

      You might remember that there has been a US-backed genocide in Gaza for over a year, under a Dem, and they were willing to lose the election rather than stop supporting genocide.

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      I remember a couple months back when Kamala Harris swapped in for Joe Biden and her popularity peaked through the fucking roof when people thought she was going to stop the genocide.

      Then Kamala said she was going to continue the genocide and kicked Palestinians out of the DNC.

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        Lol. Imagine making a reductive statement to a vastly complicated topic to try and sound smart only to reveal how little you understand. On the internet no less!

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          They’re emotional but they’re also correct. Israel controls the West Bank in all but name already.

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            people don’t even bother checking what israel has been for the last year and then make statement “democrat would be better”. Israel with AIPAC own the US. They democrats government couldn’t even say ceasefire nor did Canada, France, or Germany. Democrat and Republic has different approach to China and Russia and maybe Iran, but Palestinian ? there is no way democrat would stop anything.

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        I really hated all the moaning about people calling out that both are shitty options. The Overton window is so far to the right. Like, yeah Harris is clearly the better option but neither represent any positive moves forward.

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          For Palestine? Probably. In so many other options? It’s laughable that people think that the two candidates were in any way similar.

          Biden, and by extension Harris, have not waved their hands and saved the country (even if they could, which they can’t, because we elected politicians not magicians), but they have done leagues more for people than anything the Trump crowd has.

          Being ignorant of that is dangerous, but spreading that ignorance is borderline manslaughter for all the people who are going to be hurt because millions of people decided not to show up for this election that did for the last.

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        Oh both can be true, but in this case they are not.

        There has always been valid reason to give arms to Israel, and there continues to be today. If you think that alone amounts to “supporting genocide” you’re about to be pretty upset when you watch the actual genocide that unfolds in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank over the next 4-8 years. Trump and Netanyahu are about to go scorched earth on Palestine like never in the history of the ~80 year war.

        Bernie fuckin’ Sanders could be POTUS today and he’d still send weapons to Israel, because they are our main ally in the region who also happens to under near-constant threats and attacks from multiple angles. The absolute best we can reasonably ask for is that weapons are sent on a conditional basis, but nobody wants to talk about that reality.

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      The Harris campaign made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of a +6 points gain. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military.

      I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.

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      Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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      In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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      Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

      Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

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      Over 50% of the god damn country voted for a man who has so many major, should-be career ending flaws we don’t even need to list them anymore. If he kicked a puppy it wouldn’t even make the top 10 worst things he’s done. The democrats lost to the stupidest president of all time, a man who’s entire economic policy revolves around tariffs that he fundamentally doesn’t even understand and who cannot seem to open his mouth without lying.

      …and you’re here dunking on the people trying to oppose America’s blatant complicity in genocide. Well, you sure showed them.

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        Tbf the 50% that voted for trump aren’t here, plain and simple, so that’s why you don’t see engagement with them.

        The only political engagement you’ll see here on Lemmy shifts overwhelmingly left for all parties, so you’ll see mostly squabbling between various left factions.

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        while youre busy opposing genocide, you got someone significantly worse elected instead. Well done.

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          I really didn’t.

          Edit: meaning I am not American and if I was I would have voted Harris, not that Trump is not significantly worse.

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        For some reason they still think they can bully people into voting for their guy. This has been thoroughly disproved but still they persist.

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      There’s a lot of stupidity reflected in these elections.

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        I’ve said before (and will say again) that US elections are like our national-scale county fairs: idiots that your normally never see come out of the woodwork.

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      Harris did and does support genocide and if you tolerated that you should do some self-criticism.

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    Wait, why would it make any difference if Donald is elected?

    I thought everyone was saying that Biden and Harris were doing nothing about the Palestinians.

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      They said they wanted a two state solution. Trump has always been a burn it to the ground guy on that topic.

      Biden is Kamala’s boss, so she toes his line while VP, that’s how the job usually works, unless you’re Cheney.

      So playing the odds at least there’s a chance of survival with Kamala. With Trump it’s just nuked, but without actual nukes.

      But hey, Kamala wasn’t good enough so let’s go with the nukes👍

      Once again, human spite has the force to move mountains.

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    That finance minister is a Kahanist (Israeli fascist), he doesn’t just want to annex parts of the west bank. He wants to annex all of the west bank and Gaza while renaming both. As someone living in Israel I’ve seen how people are already calling the west bank “Judea and Sumera”. He also wants to kill all Arabs and Muslims.