• brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    13 days ago

    Bernie would have crashed just as hard with the same apparatus behind him.

    Do you think Trump is charismatic on camera? No! It’s not him or his policy, it’s that his message would just not get through.

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      Harris turnout was lower than Biden. Trump’s was just barely up, but pretty much the same as last time. That means something with Harris failed. That’s the thing that changed.

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        Harris had the slight problem of 4 years of being VP to Biden where people aren’t better off and then saying she is basically doing the same as Biden.

        And people are misogynist and racist.

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        Couldn’t be misogyny and racism. Has to be “she didn’t get her message out”.

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          Everyone looking for “the” answer needs to realize it was a ton of stuff. Lack of a primary, failing to separate from Biden, campaigning with Republicans, failure to take a hard stance on genocide, ignorant/ill-informed voters, propaganga, misogyny, and racism are only some of the reasons.

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            Misogyny and racism are the roadblocks to get through, and constantly influences what the public perceives she can/can’t do. Versus trump who could “shoot someone on 5th ave”

            You’re not wrong or anything, all the stuff matters, it just hurts her more than average white male politician when the stuff she can control isn’t executed perfectly. They should have prepared for this rhetorical of biden not running and had a plan in place, it was such a scramble.

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          It certainly didn’t help, but no I’m pretty confident that isn’t the factor that changed.

          Anyway, agreeing with that creates an issue. The democrats can only control what they do. Blaming it on voters just not liking women or PoC means the only solution is to only run white men. I don’t agree with that. There’s things that went wrong that democrats can control that aren’t just that. Primarily, appealing to the working class. Yeah, democrats are better for them but their message wasn’t appealing to them while Trump’s was.

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          Sorry buddy, but you’re wrong. You wish it was that easy to handwave away the democrats failures. We can’t afford to let the blue conservatives run in circles in that tiny box they think in any longer.

          The democrats need to give us that change Obama promised us. They need to give 3rd parties equal access to the electoral system by getting rid of First Past The Post voting in states they control.

          It’s over… they had their chance. Pass electoral reform and get the fuck out of the way.

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          Could be that “I’ll preserve the current untenable status quo” was a shit message.