Click bait publicity stunt. No one was fired.
But they told me the survey was anonymous!
My partner took an “anonymous” survey at work once.
When the results came out, it categorised the results. Site, m/f/o, role.
Turns out that there was only one female engineer at her site… So everybody knew she was annoyed about some specific things.
I love those.
I filled one out onetime and one of my teammates told us it’s really anonymous.
So I bet him $100 dollars that I could prove it wasn’t.
we filled them out and a couple days later I printed off his survey and taped it to his monitor.
he was pissed. I told him he could keep the $100 because the look on his face was worth it.
I had access to the drive where all the reports spit out. in the reports were the IPs of the submitters. I knew his IP and just grepped it. I’m sure leadership does the same thing.
I have seen the exact same behavior here Canada with companies that are led by Indians. They treat it like a sweatshop. and this was an office.
There was quite a few in the UK as well, mostly in Leicester (large Indian immigrant population there). People being paid £3 an hour when it should have been about £8 at the time.
If you buy cheap clothes from the likes of BooHoo you should know that they’re made in these places, and if you buy expensive clothes, then they’re probably made in the exact same conditions with a nicer label sewn in the back and a better PR department to handwave away any wrongdoing.
I work with a few Indian development teams, and “sweatshop” is an apt description. We work on software dependencies, as specified by them. After we deliver, they decide it’s not what they wanted, change the specs and treat it as a “drop everything else” bug. It gives me no greater pleasure than telling them to relax, that we’ll get to it in due time when we have the capacity. I like to think that a few of their managers already popped a vein.
Has this been reported? If this Is in Canada there are worker protection services…
yes it has been and these places still exist today. They especially love taking advantage of their own.
That really sucks 🙁
Once the international students go home (hopefully) here in Canada this will not happen anymore, because Canadian’s wouldn’t stand for it
Any chance you could be anymore racist with your demands? “I blame the Indians” (while working in Canada). “Once the International people leave it will be fixed!” (still, working in Canada).
How about highlighting a specific company who’s founded from India and treating employees bad in your neighboring Canadian community that has impacted you? Maybe some news articles or reports of the mishandling and abuse? Or we can just vaguely and anecdotally continue blaming “THEM” and anyone who’s International?!
Remember, Anti-work doesn’t mean Anti-immigrant.
how is that racist? I don’t hate Indians. I said international students.
Hating companies you perceive from a certain ethnic community is also racist. Are all “Indian” companies like this or are you making blanket statements against a race? Are all the companies exploiting workers founded from India, or again, are we singling out an ethnic group as antagonists while ignoring the governing body? Can someone be born in India, become a Canadian citizen, operate a company under Canadian law and on their soil, and it’s still the “Indians” fault?
You’re right about the international student part, that would be Xenophobia added onto racism.
- A fear of strangers or foreigners. 2. A strong antipathy or aversion to strangers or foreigners.
I’ve been subject to the same treatment by a white person in Canada. Three out of my 5 colleagues were from India because apparently they were the only ones that could take it. They didn’t fire me they made my life hell until I quit because of my mental health crisis. They made me sign bad performance reviews, the manager and her assistant shouted and screamed at me and made me work on holidays and kept accusing me of things that are not true until I quit. They did this to other people as well and no one had any grounds to sue them because they knew how to play the game. It’s not just Indians that do this in Canada. Some Canadians do it too. This happen in the national capital region no less.
Yes I have been treated like shit from “white” managers as well (although i don’t know what white means here).
Literal IT Crowd episode.
Have a bath? NO. GET A BIKE.
Are you stressed… JEN
Imagine firing all competent employees
looks at companies forcing RTO 👀
The stoner dudes high as balls 247 who don’t give a shit and are not stressed a bit: :DDD
stoner dudes high as balls 247 who don’t give a shit
Bro where do you work where this is not caught in the first interview
I’ve been high in most jobs I had, every now and then at least.
Not when driving a taxi, but we used to get insanely high for the night shifts at the taxi dispatch call centre where I also worked with the younger coworkers (<35) I had. As long as you get the necessary shit done, why’d anyone care? The night shifts were boring as fuck, you’d have like a few to a few dozen calls an hour. Meaning that mostly you’re just having to browse the web while waiting.
And Finns genuinely couldn’t even tell when I’m high as balls, the willfull ignorance in Finnish social interaction is quite strong.
As long as you get the necessary shit done, why’d anyone care?
I don’t, I just couldn’t imagine many work places where you’d work in a team or interact with clients or customers or coworkers where this type of thing would be accepted.
But ah, Finland ✅, and night shifts ✅, and younger crew with little to no management around ✅, still able to perform a not so crucial task requiring not a lot of brain power ✅. I’m all for it dude. Have fun while working, that’s the bomb. ❤️
Well, 25-30. But the older ladies at the dispatch smoked weed as well. Well few of them did. One liked opiates. Most drank.
I don’t work there anymore, but it’s somewhat complicated logistics. You arrange school rides for kids and patient rides to hospitals and have to make sure people aren’t late for their planes and trains leaving in the morning.
It’s just that for the first several hours, it’d be every calm during the night. Sometime around 4am people start leaving for trains, buses, planes. Then around 5-6 you have people going to hospitals. Sometimes they’re disabled and need a taxi that can fit a stretcher. Then it’s the kids after that.
But like some people like caffeine aa they feel they need more energy to perk up. It’s the other way around for me.
But yeah thanks though it was fun. I was kinda pissed during corona when they finally took remote work as my home workstation is far superior to what they were when I worked there, and I kept actually using a team viewer connection back then as well (~2012) so could’ve easily done the work from my home.
And yes you’d might wonder what sort of company allows an employee to install remote control software on their computers?
A small company with a large turnover which never understood their dispatch center or technology properly.
But like if you made a poll on some programming community here on how many of them work while high…?
I know softwares see developers in rather esteemed positions who smoke every day. Not all day necessarily but
I’m a software developer and, while I don’t smoke all day, I’m a night owl. Some days I’ll go to bed at 2 AM several nights in a row, and after that, I basically go a couple days where I don’t get anything done. So I might as well practically have been smoking all day being high as a kite. 😅
I’ve seen this in upper management. Dude has zero f to give. I mean like drugs removed them.
Me: Mai dude building is on fire Dude: it’s fine only 16 flights of stairs. I’ll wait out the rush.
He never had sense of urgency.
It’s always those punks in HR
Don’t ever engage with culture sensing surveys honestly. The only place they weren’t a trap (ironically) was the US Army where they did it on paper, punished people for putting their names on them, and walked right past your entire immediate chain of command to their bosses with the results. And the one time things were truly bad they literally brought in a Sociology expert to study our unit and figure out how things had gone bad, it resulted in all new leadership and team building exercises, in a war zone. (These results do not extend to other branches, I had one done by the Navy and it was corpo trap bullshit, got a lot of the Army guys there by surprise.)
I have always engaged with every one of them and have been negative quite often yet never anything bad came of it. Probably because we have employee rights where I live. So the actual problem is americas lacks of rights.
I worked for a youuuuuuge international corporation that did a survey in the late 1990s.
They took them extremely seriously and trained and replaced the poor performing leadership.
It led to a big jump in profits.
I’m glad someone is using it correctly then.
Or engage with them but expect the repercussions.
I’m very candid when this shit comes around my corp and am extremely nuanced in explaining the culture challenges.
The trick is to not explicitly call anyone out and highlight it’s a systemic problem.
In our corp, our managers get the answers and results without the names of employees that gave the answers. Did not see anyone regretting being honest on the survey yet.
I am wondering more and more if it is the corp I work for that is unusual, if it is because it is in the EU, not US (even though corp is US based), or if just the people with worst experiences are the most keen to share them…
There probably is a confirmation bias at work here. People with healthy workplaces are probably less likely to complain online?
Same that they anonymized the data but c’mon I know people writing style I could tell which coworker wrote what if they narrow it down enough like by department.
Yes and no. The survey is always scoring something 1-10 and then a text field on explanation/how to improve it. If you are too worried, you can just give the score. Even so, most people just fill them in normally and as I said, I did not see anyone regret being honest. But that is indeed likely partially because we are not in the US.
That’s a very fine line though. and you’re hoping they don’t fire you just for being the bent nail.
Oh I agree but thing is it’s principles for me. I spoke to a coworker recently about this in relation to a bad worker and if they should go to HR. My argument is I can’t rely on other people to speak about the challenges so it’s beholden on me to do that for those that may not want to take that risk.
It’s only a job. I make damn good money but if I got let go because of my principles that’s a good reason.
Yeah I’m with you on this one. All of these people saying “don’t say shit” think they are being smart (and I imagine most of them haven’t even been in the situation) but the reality is you are just making things worse for everyone else and getting fired after something like that is actually extremely uncommon because it’s very easy to point to and demand severance or just for making a lot of racket if that’s not an option.
It’s very easy to get laid off in the US. They don’t need to resort to such tactics. most of the time internal culture things are either ignored or decent people higher up make some small changes in their own departments/areas specifically. I find it’s a great way to subtly point to toxic leadership, especially if other people are doing it.
The last time I went to HR on toxic leadership it was very well known. I told them I’m the ideal employee. I’ve been here (at the time 10 years) rarely make a fuss. Never been to HR before. I had a well thought out letter explaining the challenges I was seeing and how toxic it was and how it was impacting myself and my coworkers.
They asked for names. I gave none. I told them they have the names (I had good info these people were well known). I explained that people are leaving the org, good people are not coming here. They need to address it. About 1+ year later there was a huge clearout of leadership then another a couple of years later. People who were well identified as toxic.
I like to think my speaking up helped with that, and I’m still here. More people need to stand on their principles damn the consequences.
Yeah it definitely has a “writing your congressional rep“ quality to it. Your one note or comment is rarely going to move the needle unless there is something truly illegal going on like workplace harassment that is undeniable, but when a lot of people keep bringing up the same issues/departments/people (maybe not explicitly) it can make a difference. Sometimes the squeaky wheel does get the oil lol
For those jumping in on this conversation, I am not saying it is always like this. I’m just saying it often is. Most companies operate at least somewhat practically when it comes to these things. They don’t want to hire new people, they don’t want inter-departmental strife. They don’t want projects not getting done because of toxic leadership. Beyond a certain threshold they often will act. Often it takes way too long and requires way too much from employees, but still, sometimes they act.
YMMV especially depending on the industry.
Lesson I learned the hard way: if any study comes around on your satisfaction, don’t answer it. If management comes asking why you haven’t answered the study, apologize, you’ve been swamped, you’ll get get right on it, and you lie your ass off.
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Toxic positivity in action
It was toxic internet point grabbing in action - https://indianstartupnews.com/news/yes-madam-clarifies-on-firing-over-100-employees-for-being-stressed-says-no-one-was-fired-it-was-an-awareness-initiative-8416411
Their explanation sounds like ad hoc BS.
Yeah, but the original message sounded even more like BS. Like surely no one would think its a good idea to post on social media that you are firing your stressed employees to make a ‘supportive’ workplace. That makes no sense. So yeah, the explanation is bad - but I don’t think its untrue. It’s just that the original post was a bad idea.
It’s it actually toxic if you really do benefit from it?
I fail to see how getting fired because you said your work environment was stressful is a benefit. Losing your income is a significant stressor.
Or even not getting fired, but seeing your coworkers being fired for that. Sure whole departments are going to be stressed now.
You don’t benefit from it. Having been in a place where positivity is a focus, it’s just ignoring any problems or criticism that can’t be addressed with a work harder attitude. It forces out anyone not drinking the Kool aid, and those tend to be better employees.
Yes, because humans are messy.
The stressed employees were almost certainly the high performers lmao
And when output and production drop 35% next quarter, you can be damn sure they’ll whip out the “We’re a family here!!!” talk as they announce even more layoffs to pad the bottom line.
Whenever you are having a bad day just remember you had like 1/4 chance of spawning in India
I have spawned in a very similar place soo. Eeh
I’m from Pakistan, which should be even more similar to India than Turkey is.
oh hi 😞
There are ten livestock animals in captivity for every one human. You’re still lucky to be born a human anywhere on earth, because we are the monsters.
I remember it, and then I remember I’m in that 1/4th
Why is India that way?
“The beatings will continue until morale improves.”
“Beatings didn’t work. Let’s try hunger and homelessness”
My coworker said he was stressed out on a survey and the forced therapy. We all made fun of him for telling the truth.
Well, that is going to backfire because they just made all new stress for the current employees
Yeah, they did, but the remaining employees won’t dare complain about it so management sees this as a twofer win.
And have learned that lying is the best policy
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
