Social media app Telegram is profitable for the first time after paying down “a meaningful share” of some $2 billion in debt, Chief Executive Officer Pavel Durov said in a post on X Monday.
Yes but that doesn’t mean they’re not important in ensuring there isn’t a messaging monopoly.
Obviously in an ideal world we’d have multiple interconnected secure apps with some cross-platform interoperability, but until then I’ll settle for one government/corporation not having all of everyone’s private conversations.
If Telegram is backdoored, not for Russia. While the founder and owner is Russian, him and the company left Russia in 2014 when they didn’t want to comply with their regime (I think. Don’t remember the details). The company is based in Dubai since 2017.
Why is Telegram the only messenger that is not banned in Russia? Signal, Matrix, SimpleX, WhatsApp, Viber, everything, are all banned, but not Telegram
Where did you get the info? Signal and Viber are indeed blocked but usable via VPNs that a lot of people have anyway. Whatsapp was never even attempted to be blocked and remains absolutely dominant together with Telegram. Matrix is a protocol rather than a platform so can’t really be blocked, but even matrix.org was never blocked either. Simplex was blocked a while ago, but again, it is a protocol, so they could only block the central servers and apparently port 5223 too. But both were quietly unblocked a short time after, no idea why.
Doesn’t matter if something “cannot be blocked and is still usable”, the point is that they WANT it blocked. They want to block everything except Telegram. There was one magical moment when they stopped a big war with Durov and decided that they don’t want it banned anymore, and it will be the only free platform in Russia. What happened? :)
Ok, maybe the ban of Matrix servers was in my dreams (or was blocked for a short time for some people), but everything else was not. Yeah, apparently WhatsApp is not blocked yet, but they are threatening to do it (it’s too widespread I guess).
Yeah, Matrix is possible I guess but I’ve seen ZERO news on that. You might be confusing it with Simplex, which was blocked for a very short time but silently went back to being fully operational. Not heard any plans for Whatsapp either.
By the way, I am also 100% convinced Telegram is actively cooperating with them. Not sure if the “blocking” was theater from the beginning or just incompetence, but the result is the same. I think there were many cases when Telegram took down undesired channels at least, and I believe it was confirmed it helped with “investigations”.
Whatsapp only the backups (although I think they stopped?) and Metadata (with whom you chat, when you chat, but not the exact words you chat) are backdoored.
This is kind of good news it means there is still a major alt to WhatsApp. Still my second to last app but it does have a lot of linux groups on there
Isn’t WhatsApp 100% backdoored for the US and Telegram for Russia? I thought Signal was the only reliable app?
Yes but that doesn’t mean they’re not important in ensuring there isn’t a messaging monopoly.
Obviously in an ideal world we’d have multiple interconnected secure apps with some cross-platform interoperability, but until then I’ll settle for one government/corporation not having all of everyone’s private conversations.
If Telegram is backdoored, not for Russia. While the founder and owner is Russian, him and the company left Russia in 2014 when they didn’t want to comply with their regime (I think. Don’t remember the details). The company is based in Dubai since 2017.
The people with the most to lose think it is: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/ukraine-bans-official-use-telegram-app-over-fears-russian-spying-2024-09-20/
Well, to be fair, better safe than sorry.
Why is Telegram the only messenger that is not banned in Russia? Signal, Matrix, SimpleX, WhatsApp, Viber, everything, are all banned, but not Telegram
Where did you get the info? Signal and Viber are indeed blocked but usable via VPNs that a lot of people have anyway. Whatsapp was never even attempted to be blocked and remains absolutely dominant together with Telegram. Matrix is a protocol rather than a platform so can’t really be blocked, but even matrix.org was never blocked either. Simplex was blocked a while ago, but again, it is a protocol, so they could only block the central servers and apparently port 5223 too. But both were quietly unblocked a short time after, no idea why.
Doesn’t matter if something “cannot be blocked and is still usable”, the point is that they WANT it blocked. They want to block everything except Telegram. There was one magical moment when they stopped a big war with Durov and decided that they don’t want it banned anymore, and it will be the only free platform in Russia. What happened? :)
Ok, maybe the ban of Matrix servers was in my dreams (or was blocked for a short time for some people), but everything else was not. Yeah, apparently WhatsApp is not blocked yet, but they are threatening to do it (it’s too widespread I guess).
Yeah, Matrix is possible I guess but I’ve seen ZERO news on that. You might be confusing it with Simplex, which was blocked for a very short time but silently went back to being fully operational. Not heard any plans for Whatsapp either.
By the way, I am also 100% convinced Telegram is actively cooperating with them. Not sure if the “blocking” was theater from the beginning or just incompetence, but the result is the same. I think there were many cases when Telegram took down undesired channels at least, and I believe it was confirmed it helped with “investigations”.
Telegram is 100% backdoored
Whatsapp only the backups (although I think they stopped?) and Metadata (with whom you chat, when you chat, but not the exact words you chat) are backdoored.
Signal is the only major app tht’s not backdoores
What makes you so sure?