“all we have to do is abandon issue X, and the bigots will finally join forces with us!”
i get the temptation, but if progress on healthcare means throwing trans people under the bus, then it’s not actually progress.
(and i do see “keep your intentions to yourself” which isn’t the same as “throwing under the bus” – but there’s room for both clear advocacy and quiet agreement, and asking the open advocates to be quiet seems like friendly fire/counterproductive.)
I get that, but we can’t let a perfect solution get in the way of a better one. First focus on universal physical healthcare, something that EVERYONE can relate to, then work on mental healthcare (which would include trans healthcare)
I didn’t say abandon trans people, I said focus on the common ground you can find instead of insisting every part of every discussion cater to all of your beliefs at once. Healthcare reform helps us all but it has little chance of helping anyone if you insist on reminding the hateful among us that they have someone besides insurance executives to hate.
Hmm. Again, I hear what you’re trying to say, but “OP posting a meme to Lemmy about supporting trans rights” isn’t “insisting every part of every discussion cater to all of your beliefs at once.”
You’re tilting at a strawman that isn’t happening here, which is part of what makes your comments come across as more than simple face value.
“Pick your battles in conversations” is potentially a valid point. But “don’t post supportive memes because bigots don’t like the association” is effectively an attempt to silence support for trans entirely. (And trans people need more support than just healthcare.)
Have you considered that the issue of healthcare might be big enough to cause bigots to put their hate aside and come together with trans folk despite their disapproval? Why do you see the only way forward being for the marginalized groups to keep quiet?
As somebody else mentioned - what if the issue was abortion - would you say women who want reproductive rights should keep quiet because it just antagonizes the far right Christian base and we don’t have time for that - let’s get healthcare for them first and then we can have the discussion about abortion?
Any rationale for keeping the advocacy to DMs and maintaining an innocent public face of “what are trans people?, no we’re just trying to… erm… MAGA with better healthcare that’s all” until it’s too late and we’ve tricked them into basic decency
^a question that I suppose I should’ve asked privately
Yeah - when bigots are loud in their mockery and attacks, it hurts trans people to NOT hear anyone also vocally supporting them. That isn’t too say that quiet support isn’t valuable – but so is loud support, in a different way, and squelching loud support is still a damaging trade.
“all we have to do is abandon issue X, and the bigots will finally join forces with us!”
i get the temptation, but if progress on healthcare means throwing trans people under the bus, then it’s not actually progress.
(and i do see “keep your intentions to yourself” which isn’t the same as “throwing under the bus” – but there’s room for both clear advocacy and quiet agreement, and asking the open advocates to be quiet seems like friendly fire/counterproductive.)
I get that, but we can’t let a perfect solution get in the way of a better one. First focus on universal physical healthcare, something that EVERYONE can relate to, then work on mental healthcare (which would include trans healthcare)
I didn’t say abandon trans people, I said focus on the common ground you can find instead of insisting every part of every discussion cater to all of your beliefs at once. Healthcare reform helps us all but it has little chance of helping anyone if you insist on reminding the hateful among us that they have someone besides insurance executives to hate.
Hmm. Again, I hear what you’re trying to say, but “OP posting a meme to Lemmy about supporting trans rights” isn’t “insisting every part of every discussion cater to all of your beliefs at once.”
You’re tilting at a strawman that isn’t happening here, which is part of what makes your comments come across as more than simple face value.
“Pick your battles in conversations” is potentially a valid point. But “don’t post supportive memes because bigots don’t like the association” is effectively an attempt to silence support for trans entirely. (And trans people need more support than just healthcare.)
Have you considered that the issue of healthcare might be big enough to cause bigots to put their hate aside and come together with trans folk despite their disapproval? Why do you see the only way forward being for the marginalized groups to keep quiet?
As somebody else mentioned - what if the issue was abortion - would you say women who want reproductive rights should keep quiet because it just antagonizes the far right Christian base and we don’t have time for that - let’s get healthcare for them first and then we can have the discussion about abortion?
Any rationale for keeping the advocacy to DMs and maintaining an innocent public face of “what are trans people?, no we’re just trying to… erm… MAGA with better healthcare that’s all” until it’s too late and we’ve tricked them into basic decency
^a question that I suppose I should’ve asked privately
Yeah - when bigots are loud in their mockery and attacks, it hurts trans people to NOT hear anyone also vocally supporting them. That isn’t too say that quiet support isn’t valuable – but so is loud support, in a different way, and squelching loud support is still a damaging trade.