97% of gender affirming surgeries performed on minors since 2019 were for removing excess breast tissue from cisgender boys!
It keeps people alive, simple as.
As well as “physical healthcare is mental healthcare”.
I have the radical idea of letting doctors and scientist figure out how to help trans people instead of politicians.
Can we please focus on the healthcare part of the equation and stop trying to force trans issues into the discussion? We are in a rare moment of agreement where everyone is talking about the fact that healthcare in this country sucks and this kind of thing is going to draw Republicans back into that culture war bullshit and waste the only real momentum I’ve seen on this issue since Obama’s first term. Yes it is unfair that it needs to be framed that way but you also know how annoyingly focused on trans people conservatives are. Working to change the narrative around private insurance is the most impactful way to help trans people at this moment in history. There’s too many fuckwads in this country to make that argument directly so take a page out of the Republican playbook and keep your intentions to yourself until the battle is won.
“all we have to do is abandon issue X, and the bigots will finally join forces with us!”
i get the temptation, but if progress on healthcare means throwing trans people under the bus, then it’s not actually progress.
(and i do see “keep your intentions to yourself” which isn’t the same as “throwing under the bus” – but there’s room for both clear advocacy and quiet agreement, and asking the open advocates to be quiet seems like friendly fire/counterproductive.)
I get that, but we can’t let a perfect solution get in the way of a better one. First focus on universal physical healthcare, something that EVERYONE can relate to, then work on mental healthcare (which would include trans healthcare)
I didn’t say abandon trans people, I said focus on the common ground you can find instead of insisting every part of every discussion cater to all of your beliefs at once. Healthcare reform helps us all but it has little chance of helping anyone if you insist on reminding the hateful among us that they have someone besides insurance executives to hate.
Hmm. Again, I hear what you’re trying to say, but “OP posting a meme to Lemmy about supporting trans rights” isn’t “insisting every part of every discussion cater to all of your beliefs at once.”
You’re tilting at a strawman that isn’t happening here, which is part of what makes your comments come across as more than simple face value.
“Pick your battles in conversations” is potentially a valid point. But “don’t post supportive memes because bigots don’t like the association” is effectively an attempt to silence support for trans entirely. (And trans people need more support than just healthcare.)
Have you considered that the issue of healthcare might be big enough to cause bigots to put their hate aside and come together with trans folk despite their disapproval? Why do you see the only way forward being for the marginalized groups to keep quiet?
As somebody else mentioned - what if the issue was abortion - would you say women who want reproductive rights should keep quiet because it just antagonizes the far right Christian base and we don’t have time for that - let’s get healthcare for them first and then we can have the discussion about abortion?
Any rationale for keeping the advocacy to DMs and maintaining an innocent public face of “what are trans people?, no we’re just trying to… erm… MAGA with better healthcare that’s all” until it’s too late and we’ve tricked them into basic decency
^a question that I suppose I should’ve asked privately
Yeah - when bigots are loud in their mockery and attacks, it hurts trans people to NOT hear anyone also vocally supporting them. That isn’t too say that quiet support isn’t valuable – but so is loud support, in a different way, and squelching loud support is still a damaging trade.
Absolutely fucking not. I’m not here to build socialism that excludes minorities.
Healthcare reform is good for everyone, including trans people. There’s nothing exclusionary about being strategic with the arguments you choose to make in support of your goals.
“shut up trans people, now’s not the time. After we build this system that explicitly erases your issues we’ll reform it. Trust me bro, just help us build this bigoted healthcare bro”
Then of course we need the evangelical vote. So let’s maybe pipe down about abortion eh?
We don’t progress by leaving people behind. You’re simply deepening the deeply entrenched lines of inequality that already exist in society. Oh look, cis males ahead again big surprise.
What about abandoning abortion rights? Sure would get a lot Christian white nationalists on “your side”.
Why have you been able to decide that transgender rights are able to be discarded in order to connect with the far right? What makes it possible for you to say “sorry maybe you can have rights next week” to trans people young and old across the country? How far are you willing to go? Would you support trans genocide? Would you support forced incarceration for trans people? Like what’s the line here when do you reveal yourself as a “secret trans rights activist”?
Stop being a fucking martyr, Jesus. If you can’t understand that sometimes you need to shut your mouth to help yourself then you must be an insufferable prick to be around. Trans people need health care just like everyone else. In fact, one could argue they need it more than the rest of us. Work on that problem while there is momentum to be had. If you want everyone to be accepting of everyone else before you’ll work with them to solve a major problem then you may as well resign yourself to death without any progress because that’s never gonna fucking happen.
Universal health care is literally nothing if we are legally barred from accessing healthcare at all. Which they are absolutely trying to do. They are trying to legally mandate transgender people out of existence and force our assigned sex at birth upon us. Project 2025 includes proposed legislation that would literally make it illegal to be a transgender person. It would make it a sex offense on par with CSA to be a transgender person in public. If you don’t understand what our community is facing right now, then STOP talking about trans rights activism like you’re an authority on the subject.
You are just apathetic to trans rights. If you are willing to drop us like that in order to appease a right wing group then you don’t give a shit about our rights. That’s the truth. I’ll ask again: Will you do the same for reproductive rights? Will you stop pushing reproductive rights to keep this momentum of class solidarity (among cis men) going?
No, I’m not going to shut up, and you are ultimately an enemy of my rights and the rights of my community, my friends and loved ones. I don’t care if you think I’m the most annoying person in the world. I will NEVER leave minority rights behind to unite with bigotry. Screw that. I am fighting for a liberated world. No one is left behind in that. I am not going to accept violence against trans people to seek the approval of fascists.
Your opinion of me and my motivations is entirely irrelevant. It doesn’t change the situation we’re in at all. I’m practical enough to understand that playing to your audience is not the same thing as compromising your values. You can keep insisting that it is if it makes you feel better about losing but it’s not going to help you win.
You have a very strange way of talking about transgender rights. We’re talking about the lives of trans people. People will die as a consequence of the laws they’re trying to pass, taking our rights away. You again seemingly have no idea what you’re talking about. Playing to our audience in this case would be backing off and letting them take our rights away. How in God’s name do you plan to secretly protect our rights while publicly appealing to people trying to take them away? You cannot do both if you protect our rights then fascists won’t align with you, and if you don’t protect our rights and allow others to attack us then you’re functionally one of them.
Again you are an enemy of the trans community who is literally arguing about why it is entirely acceptable for our rights to be taken away. You’re arguing about why cis people should befriend violent transphobes by passively tolerating their bigotry. You see our rights as a game, a tool, a nice win in the end but if trans people need to take the hit now then so be it. I will never tolerate that. You are also laughably incapable of making a coherent argument to trans people about this position.
There are countries other than the USA
