When I tried Arch in '23, it worked well. Then I got busy and lazy and didn’t use it for 2-3 months. When I came back and did yay -sYu as I had learned, dozens of KDE and core packages were throwing errors and wouldn’t update. Unfortunate.
yay -Syu, and around that time KDE had switched from plasma 5 to plasma 6, which involved moving a lot of packages into the extra repository, so you had to sit there and confirm each package move (unless you used --noconfirm).
Fair enough, but Mint gives you the more up to date base of Ubuntu and some QoL tools that Debian doesn’t have. If you prefer Debian, then use it. I just feel Mint is better for beginners or people who want an easier time with less tinkering.
That’s awesome. While I don’t share your love for Debian, I’m glad it exists. Without it, we wouldn’t have Ubuntu or Mint or a ton of other choices.
It’s also amazing that it works, as-is, for some people. More options just means more possibilities for people to find something that works for them and that’s what’s important.
I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt.
Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before
Which is an excellent option if you’re okay with Debian. It’s a good OS but lacks some of the homegrown tools from the main Mint version. So, for beginners or those less inclined to tinkering I’d still recommend the main edition. Otherwise yes, Debian Edition is another great option.
That’s the real “difference” in the Linux camps right?
Ubuntu N00bs - “what’s a terminal?” vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you’re in you know you can tell them “you need to enable the systemd service” or "add option blah to /etc/program.conf and they know what they means without further explanation.
You say maintenance is 0 then list 2 things I don’t have to do on Mint
Remembering to bother with a CLI and configs is the hard part, on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things. You know, like it’s some time past the year 2000?
On EndavourOS here, I spent hours upon install tinkering and setting everything like I wanted and forgot most of what I did ever since.
I’m so lazy I use a one word alias to update all my stuff in one go. I rarely have to bother myself reading and checking if everything’s fine (I still do it from time to time just to be safe but I do it less and less because it’s almost useless)… I even update a bit late sometimes and quite randomly in general.
It’s been almost 4 years like this now, nothing ever broke, had an issue with an Aur only once…never even had to tinker with anything.
I remember having harder times with Ubuntu or Manjaro like a decade ago…even had freaking issues with Mint, it’s crazy.
Running pacman every two weeks seems like a bad idea if you have a lot of packages… The dependencies can get dicey if you have to update too many at once.
The problem is that other 10% where I have to spend my time trawling the arch wiki to fix my OS instead of like… doing cool things on my computer. If that’s what you enjoy that’s great, but your hobby is not my hobby. I’ve used arch on several of my devices, it can be great! But there’s this idea that arch is the perfect solution to pretty much everyone’s desktop problems and it’s crazymaking to see repeated over and over on here.
Yeah, I started on Ubuntu, got acclimated to Linux using it, went to mint, didn’t give me what I wanted and just dove into arch, been running the same install for 8 years now and honestly don’t want any more from my os… I also love my steam deck… It runs arch BTW 😉
I’m too lazy to maintain an Arch install, so it’s Mint for me. Long live Mint unironically.
Running
yayevery other day is all the maintenance I do on my arch installation.When I tried Arch in '23, it worked well. Then I got busy and lazy and didn’t use it for 2-3 months. When I came back and did yay -sYu as I had learned, dozens of KDE and core packages were throwing errors and wouldn’t update. Unfortunate.
yay -Syu, and around that time KDE had switched from plasma 5 to plasma 6, which involved moving a lot of packages into the
extrarepository, so you had to sit there and confirm each package move (unless you used --noconfirm).Exactly. My wife is a teacher and she runs Arch daily, knowing only how to run yay.
I do it whenever I feel like. Don’t even feel the need to be regular.
With Win10, the notifications used to increase my tension
Mint is one of the best versions of Ubuntu you could possibly use. They give you Ubuntu without all the forced snaps and other crap.
At that point just use Debian?
You can do that with Mint too - LMDE
Fair enough, but Mint gives you the more up to date base of Ubuntu and some QoL tools that Debian doesn’t have. If you prefer Debian, then use it. I just feel Mint is better for beginners or people who want an easier time with less tinkering.
Debian was good enough for my grandfather and it’s good enough for me. Seriously, running cinnamon desktop in Debian is my best option.
I don’t need fancy, just no breaking
Plot twist: am grandfather myself
That’s awesome. While I don’t share your love for Debian, I’m glad it exists. Without it, we wouldn’t have Ubuntu or Mint or a ton of other choices.
It’s also amazing that it works, as-is, for some people. More options just means more possibilities for people to find something that works for them and that’s what’s important.
Ever since docker became available, along with flatpak; the Linux running these became less of an issue for me
Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven’t really needed it yet.
I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt.
Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before
This sounds like a great place to mention Linux Mint Debian Edition!
Which is an excellent option if you’re okay with Debian. It’s a good OS but lacks some of the homegrown tools from the main Mint version. So, for beginners or those less inclined to tinkering I’d still recommend the main edition. Otherwise yes, Debian Edition is another great option.
Mint > literally all OS, Mobile or PC.
What do you mean by maintaining?
He probably means tinkering
And if so, I can’t for the life of me Invision how it’s harder on Arch than on the Ubuntu or its derivatives.
Some people just have allergy on terminal
That’s the real “difference” in the Linux camps right?
Ubuntu N00bs - “what’s a terminal?” vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you’re in you know you can tell them “you need to enable the systemd service” or "add
option blahto/etc/program.confand they know what they means without further explanation.Arch maintenance: 0. Install it once. (The proper way)
pacman -SyuI don’t get what is with this so hard? Yes, configs can be undecipherable but 90% time the merge involves just deleting the .pacnew versions.
You say maintenance is 0 then list 2 things I don’t have to do on Mint
Remembering to bother with a CLI and configs is the hard part, on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things. You know, like it’s some time past the year 2000?
I think they were trying to make a 0-indexed list and fucked up the markdown, so install is just step 0.
On EndavourOS here, I spent hours upon install tinkering and setting everything like I wanted and forgot most of what I did ever since.
I’m so lazy I use a one word alias to update all my stuff in one go. I rarely have to bother myself reading and checking if everything’s fine (I still do it from time to time just to be safe but I do it less and less because it’s almost useless)… I even update a bit late sometimes and quite randomly in general.
It’s been almost 4 years like this now, nothing ever broke, had an issue with an Aur only once…never even had to tinker with anything.
I remember having harder times with Ubuntu or Manjaro like a decade ago…even had freaking issues with Mint, it’s crazy.
Running pacman every two weeks seems like a bad idea if you have a lot of packages… The dependencies can get dicey if you have to update too many at once.
The problem is that other 10% where I have to spend my time trawling the arch wiki to fix my OS instead of like… doing cool things on my computer. If that’s what you enjoy that’s great, but your hobby is not my hobby. I’ve used arch on several of my devices, it can be great! But there’s this idea that arch is the perfect solution to pretty much everyone’s desktop problems and it’s crazymaking to see repeated over and over on here.
Yeah, I started on Ubuntu, got acclimated to Linux using it, went to mint, didn’t give me what I wanted and just dove into arch, been running the same install for 8 years now and honestly don’t want any more from my os… I also love my steam deck… It runs arch BTW 😉