According to Baidu and most of .ml, absolutely nothing. It was a perfectly normal day of getting emulsified by tanks. There are no unhappy people in China, and they have the CCTV recordings to prove it!
Don’t distract. I knew where exactly in the Chinese capital this square is when I was six years old. Your accusation that I must be some ignorant American who can’t find anything on a world map is wrong on both accounts.
Once again: What happened there? I want an honest answer from you.
We’re talking about developments in AI tech, and you want to make it about Tiananmen Square .
Please don’t use whataboutism to distract from the core issue here. DeepSeek follows the Chinese government’s rules, meaning it has biases intentionally built-in to spread misinformation and propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party. You may read my comment and the source in in this thread.
There’s nothing sinophobic here. The linked article on China’s AI policy cites an official Chinese source. It comes directly from the Chinese government.
Saying that “everyone is doing it” is called hypernormalization and a common propaganda technique used by autocratic regimes like Russia and China. It’s meant to instill feelings of hopelessness and indifference. It is also usually extremely dishonest, since it relies on false equivalencies (like in this case) and/or comparing current state crimes with past state crimes of others.
DeepSeek is designed to follow Chinese state propaganda. ChatGPT is designed to follow American oligarchy propaganda. Each side pushes their own biases. Where is the false equivalence?
Also I wasn’t meaning to instill hopelessness or indifference. On the contrary, I tried to point out that you should be equally as mad at OpenAI/Google/the rest of the western AI companies as you are at the DeepSeek. The fact that people are only mad at China and not at the megacorporations in the west does, imo, indicate their biases.
In addition to @[email protected]’s comment, this is not ‘only’ about biases we all have. It is about intentionally built-in propaganda supporting Chinese state narratives. As I wrote already in this thread, the Chinese government outlined its plan regarding AI in its so-called “AI Capacity Building and Inclusiveness Plan”. It reads:
[Chinese] Government rhetoric draws a direct line between AI exports and existing initiatives to expand China’s influence overseas, such as Xi Jinping’s signature Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and Global Development Initiative (GDI). In this case, the more influence China has over AI overseas, the more it can dictate the technology’s development in other countries […]
[According to the Chinese government] AI must not be used to interfere in another country’s internal affairs — language that the PRC has invoked for as long as it has existed, both to bring nations of the global south on board in China’s ongoing efforts to seize Taiwan and to deflect international criticism of its human rights record […]
Yeah, the whole article reads like “China says good things, but actually, they are just bad things in disguise! Chinese AI is cheaper and in some cases better, but actually its all a master plan for world domination! Remember, guys, China bad!!!”
Of course the software created in China would intentionally try to follow Chinese laws. Just as American software follows the laws of the US. However, China made their models open-source, so people can tinker with them and (possibly) make a fork without the censorship, and run it locally without any data being sent who knows where. While ChatGPT, Gemini and all the rest are closed-source, and you have zero control over them, so you can’t even hope to circumvent the propaganda that’s built into those models.
But yeah, Tiananmen square 1989, China bad, let’s all stop thinking about anything
People have scrutinized what chatgpt for example is allowed and not allowed to say by its programmers. I think the difference here is that there is lower hanging fruit to grab because the Chinese state has a different relationship to censorship than a lot of other states.
I also associate Sinophobia with being prejudiced against Chinese people or Chinese culture, however being critical or skeptical of the Chinese state is actually perfectly reasonable. I’m also very critical of the US state and this isn’t because I’m “americaphobic” or some nonsense.
Totally agree. Saying that “any criticism of the Chinese government is sinophobic” is the same as saying that “any criticism of Israel’s government is antisemitic.”
Welcome to the internet, you must be new. Keep scrolling through new here and you should see some pretty common jokes about the falliability of AI of various flavors. Criticism of the weighting on training models can be found with just slightly more effort.
This is pathetic Sinophobia.
So tell me, what happened at that square in 1989?
According to Baidu and most of .ml, absolutely nothing. It was a perfectly normal day of getting emulsified by tanks. There are no unhappy people in China, and they have the CCTV recordings to prove it!
Point to it on a map.
Don’t distract. I knew where exactly in the Chinese capital this square is when I was six years old. Your accusation that I must be some ignorant American who can’t find anything on a world map is wrong on both accounts.
Once again: What happened there? I want an honest answer from you.
Don’t distract ?
We’re talking about developments in AI tech, and you want to make it about Tiananmen Square .
@[email protected]
Please don’t use whataboutism to distract from the core issue here. DeepSeek follows the Chinese government’s rules, meaning it has biases intentionally built-in to spread misinformation and propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party. You may read my comment and the source in in this thread.
As you and I recently discovered in another thread, you don’t know whataboutism is, and entire account is dedicated to sinophobic comments .
As are your other accounts.
@[email protected]
There’s nothing sinophobic here. The linked article on China’s AI policy cites an official Chinese source. It comes directly from the Chinese government.
Haven’t you heard? The truth is sinophobic. Obligatory:
Breaking news: AI has the same biases as their creators! More at 11
Saying that “everyone is doing it” is called hypernormalization and a common propaganda technique used by autocratic regimes like Russia and China. It’s meant to instill feelings of hopelessness and indifference. It is also usually extremely dishonest, since it relies on false equivalencies (like in this case) and/or comparing current state crimes with past state crimes of others.
DeepSeek is designed to follow Chinese state propaganda. ChatGPT is designed to follow American oligarchy propaganda. Each side pushes their own biases. Where is the false equivalence?
Also I wasn’t meaning to instill hopelessness or indifference. On the contrary, I tried to point out that you should be equally as mad at OpenAI/Google/the rest of the western AI companies as you are at the DeepSeek. The fact that people are only mad at China and not at the megacorporations in the west does, imo, indicate their biases.
@[email protected]
In addition to @[email protected]’s comment, this is not ‘only’ about biases we all have. It is about intentionally built-in propaganda supporting Chinese state narratives. As I wrote already in this thread, the Chinese government outlined its plan regarding AI in its so-called “AI Capacity Building and Inclusiveness Plan”. It reads:
The whole article makes a good read.
[Edit typo.]
Yeah, the whole article reads like “China says good things, but actually, they are just bad things in disguise! Chinese AI is cheaper and in some cases better, but actually its all a master plan for world domination! Remember, guys, China bad!!!”
Of course the software created in China would intentionally try to follow Chinese laws. Just as American software follows the laws of the US. However, China made their models open-source, so people can tinker with them and (possibly) make a fork without the censorship, and run it locally without any data being sent who knows where. While ChatGPT, Gemini and all the rest are closed-source, and you have zero control over them, so you can’t even hope to circumvent the propaganda that’s built into those models.
But yeah, Tiananmen square 1989, China bad, let’s all stop thinking about anything
Please explain how this is Sinophobic.
Innovation from other countries is not subjected to similar scrutiny
People have scrutinized what chatgpt for example is allowed and not allowed to say by its programmers. I think the difference here is that there is lower hanging fruit to grab because the Chinese state has a different relationship to censorship than a lot of other states.
I also associate Sinophobia with being prejudiced against Chinese people or Chinese culture, however being critical or skeptical of the Chinese state is actually perfectly reasonable. I’m also very critical of the US state and this isn’t because I’m “americaphobic” or some nonsense.
Totally agree. Saying that “any criticism of the Chinese government is sinophobic” is the same as saying that “any criticism of Israel’s government is antisemitic.”
@[email protected]
This is simply not true.
Welcome to the internet, you must be new. Keep scrolling through new here and you should see some pretty common jokes about the falliability of AI of various flavors. Criticism of the weighting on training models can be found with just slightly more effort.