From the new terms:
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
Does having a ToS mean that Firefox is no longer FOSS? Freedom 0 of FOSS is: “The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose”. Isn’t that violated if you can only use the software under the condition of accepting terms of service?
Mozilla updated their post at the top:
UPDATE: We’ve seen a little confusion about the language regarding licenses, so we want to clear that up. We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example. It does NOT give us ownership of your data or a right to use it for anything other than what is described in the Privacy Notice.
That’s a nice disclaimer. They should clarify that in their privacy policy directly instead of just saying “oh that’s not what we meant guys, pinky promise 😉”
Firefox “never has and never will” sell your personal data was removed.
https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e
I can’t wait for ladybird, firefox is going downhill because of the Mozilla Foundation
It felt so weird to upvote this. Thanks for pointing that out, but also uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhh
This is unfortunate. I’ve been advocating for Firefox and managed to switch many of my friends. This is where I draw the line.
Time to switch to something else.
to what tho?..
You draw the line at any TOS?
Good day sir!
I read the article but still don’t understand what this means:
You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet.
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
I’ve seen corporate mission statements that were clearer.
I read it as “you type a URL in the address bar, we’ll take you there. You want to search for something using the search bar? We got you, we’ll forward your search to the search engine of your choice. All free of charge.”
It’s just worded in such generic legal wording it makes you gag. But them pointing it out so explicitly just makes me more suspicious lol. I think it’s fine for now, just another wall of text to keep an eye on for any future modifications.
“help you … experience … content” = Ads
That’s the more vicious part of it. How do we know what this experience they want to serve us is. A more pessimistic read could be they sell everything we type to ad companies and claim targeted ads are totally enhancing our experience.
I am so tired of feeling like I have an adversarial relationship with everything in my life
We’re in the era of Sinisterization
I selfhost and use mostly FOSS and have ways of blocking 99% of ads and locally control all my IoT so if you’re willing to learn then you don’t have to feel that way. Because I feel in full control and in harmony with everything.
Sure, Jan. I guess you’re not using a web browser to post this? Not using an app, because that would mean having an Android or Apple phone?
I think you underestimate just how shitty everything now is, even if you’re putting a massive effort in by using almost exclusively FOSS and maintaining a stack of ad blockers.
It’s what’s known as “vulture capitalism” or “parasitic capitalism”, where sociopathic kleptocrats are allowed control and treat all aspects of life as hostile and adversarial — value must be extracted and stolen from others — rather than a mutually beneficial relationship to improve and enrich the experience for everyone.
This is exemplified by the stock market and “line must go up” — the belief that stable, sustainable profits are a failure and growth must be continuous and exponential, in a planet and civilisation of finite resources, analogous to cancer.
There is even a rumor that, perhaps, no other form of capitalism truly exists.
I was about to say that just sounds like capitalism.
Hard agree. It does feel like we’re entering an age where that may start to shift, though. Well, not so much a shift in the “mainstream”, but it feels like we’re starting to see more and more parallel products and services that have anti-enshittification built in. And I think that’s our best path forward, all of us who care should work towards a parallel ecosystem that cuts these practices out as much as we can.
And be vocal about it! People are usually surprised in how I run services. Many many people won’t be able to, but many people can, so let them know they don’t have to be locked into paying for services.
For example “ugh Google, I hate paying for drive every month”
What do you use it for?
Oh just backups really.
Why not just an external hard drive then, or there are more expandable options out there.
Oh yeah, I forgot about those… Maybe I should look into them again…
This!!! All this!
Fuck your Ai and your license agreement. Enshittification stops at no company.
Maybe going from community effort to company driven isn’t so great after all. people say that Open source projects need to do that to stay alive or be worth while. Though all that has been happening with companies lately points to a different conclusion.
It seems that every time a group says a project needs to be company driven, they always end up at the top of that company reaping in the profits.
It does seem that way sometimes, though mostly I was talking about stupid people online who claim to be open-source enthusiasts but still say that.
It was on the horizon ever since the new leadership took over. Sad but predictable.
I’m paying for a search engine subscription, do I have to pay for a browser too?
Come on Mozilla, what the fuck are you guys doing? You don’t have the luxury of monopoly and you’re going to alienate those few diehard fans who stick with Firefox because alternatives are shit and they all run Chromium even if they aren’t.
Ladybird needs to materialize fast before it’s too late.
I’d go Waterfox, but I really like the on-machine translation in Firefox that Waterfox doesn’t have it.
LibreWolf has the on-machine translation and when you disable some of the hardcore privacy defaults it is a quite good Firefox replacement.
Why are none of these Firefox alternatives in my distro’s repository?
Nix, Guix, and Flatpak have Librewolf so you can use one of them
Bad distro? They are in mine 🤷♂️
Well, it’s Kubuntu, so yeah, I guess.
But it’s a popular bad distro, so that’s still a problem for a lot of people.
But has no mobile version effectively making it useless.
Firefox Desktop doesn’t have a mobile version, they just call an entirely separate codebase for the mobile version Firefox as well. If you want a mobile alternative there is Fennec.
Just use something else on mobile. I use mull (until it becomes insecure because I think they stopped working on it) and fennec.
Fennec supports extensions and syncing so it should be okay for most use cases.
IronFox is a fork of Mull when you decide it’s time.
please consider switching to ironfox, it’s a mull fork
I need sync…
You can selfhost it too.
Fennec and Librewolf support logging into a Firefox account and thus sync. However, that obviously partially brings you back to the Mozilla problem…
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So much for being a “private browser.” It literally says that on the app store in the title.
Guys, some of you here posted that you gonna switch to a fork. My question is: isn’t still the same problem? It seems the problem here is Mozilla, and Mozilla is the creator of Firefox and Gecko. So you suggesting switching to a fork at the end has the same problem that is using Gecko. I don’t think it is better than using a Chromium based browser. I mean you still using a Mozilla product. If you really want to avoid Mozilla you should be using Epiphany or wait for Ladybird. I am genuinely asking this because It is not clear enough for me.
It is better than using Chromium, largely because of engine diversity. Mozilla still has a massive say in web standards, and for that I’ll continue using them until a better alternative comes out.
Epiphany kinda sucks, and Ladybird isn’t a thing yet. So I’ll stick with Firefox and its forks until a legitimate challenger appears.
I am still not convinced
Mozilla still has a massive say in web standards
I don’t know if we can say this with less than 3% of market share.
until a better alternative comes out.
I like Cromite a lot. Yeah, Brave has a lot of scandals, most of them because trying to make money however they can
largely because of engine diversity.
As an end user, I choose a browser looking for features I need.
Cromite
That’s still Chromium though.
As an end user, I choose a browser looking for features I need.
Same, though engine diversity is also a huge factor. I actually used Opera until they abandoned their rendering engine, and then went back to Firefox.
When Firefox doesn’t cut it, I use Brave with the crypto BS disabled. It has a great ad blocker and is just as good as other Chrome browsers at compatibility.
I await to see technical enforcement of it. Anyone can write rules on a piece of paper, but without collecting information physically, or having someone enforce it, it’s useless words. And so far it seems a lot of people and companies make rules and claims without technological enforcement.
I imagine though at worst you can simply block all of mozilla’s domains through /etc/hosts and their IPs or IP range with a firewall rule. Still sucks but you do not need to comply with it, no matter what anyone says. It’s the technical aspects that are the most thorny, not the words on a page.
By reading this comment you hearby agree to send Draconic NEO no less than $400 in the currency of AnimalCrossing bells, applies for each time you read it, and re-reads of words also count. You will also be required to stand on your head for 30 minutes for every instance of reading this comment or re-reading a word. Compliance with these terms is mandatory.
Of course the implementation itself matters more than the promise to implement it, but the one is specifically intended to lead to the other. We shouldn’t be saying, ho-hum, they’re only threatening to f*** with our privacy in the future, when in fact this is the step before they actually do that.
I’m curious about the conversion rate from USD to Bells, and also which AC version it’s applicable to. /lh /hj
It’s roughly equivalent to JPY, at the time of the game’s original Japanese release. For ports or Localizations they’ll be largely the same as their original Japanese counterparts.
Some things in the games are skewed incredibly optimistically, like housing and renovations.
Furniture, decoration, and clothing costs are relatively accurate though.
Fantastic, guess I’ll be looking for an alternative to Firefox.
From what I can tell the general consensus is LibreWolf.
And IronFox for Android.
Im not even seeing that as an option when I search the playstore for that.
Here you go!
That one is new to me. Just heard about one called Floorp. Anyone hear anything about it?
What do I do now…
Fork
Omfg I’m sick of this bullshit
