I apologize if this is old news, but I just noticed it. It looks like Kagi has added Fediverse Forums as a default Web search option.

  • Glitchvid@lemmy.worldEnglish
    461·
    2 个月前

    I’ve been using Kagi for the last year+.

    Personally, I wish they’d tone down the AI stuff that ruined Google, but at least you can turn most of it off.

    Their results are okay, a little better than Bing, but obviously they’re limited by their existing index providers, I wish they’d run their own spiders and crawl for their own data, since I think Bing fails on a lot of coverage of obscure websites.

    In general I find the weighting of modern indexes to be subpar, though the SEO industry has made it a hard problem to tackle, I wish more small websites and forums were higher ranked, and AI slop significantly de rated.

    TW: Self harm

    Also not a huge fan of the company and a lot of it’s ardent customers, who heavily protested a suicide prevention popup if you used it to searched for how to kill yourself.

    • targetxEnglish
      111·
      2 个月前

      Have you tried the small web lens? They run their own index specifically to help surface the content you mention is hard to find by default.

      • Glitchvid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        2 个月前

        Small web always returns 0 results for anything that isn’t extremely broad, unfortunately.

    • morrowind@lemmy.mlEnglish
      7·
      2 个月前

      Kagi has multiple indexes of their own

      And the AI stuff is all opt on from what I can tell. I’ve never gotten any AI thing except when I asked for it

      • Glitchvid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        2 个月前

        They have smallweb and news indexing, but other than that AFAICT they rely completely on other providers. Which is a shame, Google allows submitting sites for indexing and notifies if they can’t.

        Running a scraper doesn’t need to cover everything since they have access to other indexes, but they really should be developing that ability instead of relying on Bing and other providers to provide good results, or results at all.

        • morrowind@lemmy.mlEnglish
          4·
          2 个月前

          Running an index is quite a massive endeavor at the scale of Google. They’re a small team.

          I think it makes sense considering there’s a competitive market of indexes already. They make small ones to cover some niches and use existing ones for the rest.

          Keep in mind they also add their own reranking and stuff on top of Bing Google whatever

          • Glitchvid@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 个月前

            If they were a small or free service I wouldn’t have much issue, but they do charge, I don’t think it’s too much to ask that they at least attempt to scrape the wider web.

            Building their own database seems the prudent thing long-term, I don’t doubt they could shore up coverage over Bing. They don’t have to replace the other indexes wholesale, just supplement it.

            • sudneo@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              2 个月前

              Why would they do what Google etc. do, but much worse? It makes sense that they do scrape what google etc. most likely miss (and that’s what their index is about). Even a company with Microsoft resources tried and failed to scrape the web as a whole (failed in the sense results are worse).