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Not wearing a seatbelt should be completely legal (once you’re over 18). It’s stupid, but it should absolutely be legal.
Do you also think it should be the law for car manufacturers to provide seatbelts? If you don’t, then you’ve got an even worse take
Wearing a seatbelt should 100% be the law. It affects others, you’re just doing mental gymnastics to pretend it doesn’t.
If you didn’t mandate seatbelt usage it would take up extra valuable hospital resources, extra valuable emergency response resources, and simply expose more people to death of someone they know.
Go live outside of society, if you truly feel this way. Honestly.
Take your downvotes as a small microcosm that the vast majority of society is not with you on this, and maybe reconsider.
Manufacturers should be required to provide seatbelts. Failure to do so affects others negatively.
If we continue to not mandate healthy eating habits, easily preventable diseases will continue to take up extra valuable hospital resources, extra valuable emergency response resources, and simply expose more people to death of someone they know. Outlaw high BMI now!
Lemmy is a combination of control-obsessed tankies and nanny state libs - of course I’m getting downvotes. Fortunately, I’d rather be right than popular, and I guarantee you that someone read my comments here and realized for the first time just how ridiculous and hypocritical seatbelt laws are. They probably still downvoted, because accepting that what you’ve always been told is incorrect is difficult, but the seed will have been planted.
It’s much easier to wear and police seatbelts, and totally worth it. If you could feasibility do the same for high BMI, yeah, that’d be great, but they’re not really comparable. The imposition on the individual would far outweigh the benefit to society.
Seatbelts? Wooooooow, must be so hard to put it on, right? Such an effort!! Seriously, what a whinge.
People who whinge about the “nanny state” really need to get a grip.
The cost to your “freedom” here is negligible, whereas the benefits are undeniable.
Seriously, get a grip.
Edit to add: from Australia. So don’t lump me in with your right-wing liberals
It’s much easier to wear and police seatbelts
You can’t be serious. It’s far easier to police high BMI, since it’s much more obvious and way easier to spot fat people in public who are a danger to themselves (and to that healthcare system you’re so concerned about) than a small strip of fabric at a distance through the windshield of a moving vehicle.
If you could feasibility do the same for high BMI, yeah, that’d be great
Wow, “we should have cops police BMI” is definitely not the argument I was expecting. You clearly are Australian.
The imposition on the individual would far outweigh the benefit to society.
You’re so close! Soooo close! Just dust off that brain and try to follow the breadcrumbs!
the benefits are undeniable.
Then it should have been super easy for someone in this thread to name one, and yet…
from Australia. So don’t lump me in with your right-wing liberals
Oh, I’m not, trust me. I’m lumping you in with one of the absolute worst countries for personal liberties in the free world. Seriously Australia, get a grip.
Right, the imposition to you putting a seatbelt is so high, it outweighs all we’ve discussed?
You’re out of touch, bud.
And yeah, if somehow we could help people not be morbidly obese, that’d would be great. Just listen to people in their position, no one is seriously suggesting (well, sane people) that being morbidly obese is pleasant. And “enforcing” it would be ridiculous, what, surveil people at every meal? This is a strawman argument. What’s the equivalent we do for seat belts? Speed cameras sometimes snapping someone not wearing one. Police officers seeing you not doing it. It’s pretty minor. People just do it. It doesn’t need much enforcement.
Partially yeah, because it’s the law.
Have you been to countries where it isn’t the law, or hasn’t been law long? I have, funnily enough, they have much less of the habit as a society (where it hasn’t been law to wear seatbelts in the back seats). That translates into children not doing it either or getting the habit to. I have to remind people to wear one.
I don’t have to do this in Australia, where it’s been law for decades. We all just do it. Partially from very hands off enforcement.
I’m not even sure why I’m trying to convince you though.
You’re a lost cause if you’re whinging about seatbelts. And then digging your heels in, coming up with ridiculous strawman arguments like policing BMI.
Don’t come to Australia, you’d be a liability to the voter base.
While at it, we should legalize drunk driving. Drunk driving got a bad name in the past because irresponsible drunk drivers were drinking behind the wheel and purposefully running people over. My father drove drunk for 30 years and he was only in 7 car accidents. It’s non sense.
The 3 down voters didn’t get the implied /s
The difference being, of course, that drunk driving has an incredibly high chance of negatively affecting others, while not wearing a seatbelt has an incredibly low chance of negatively affecting others.
Depends on how many people are in the car doesnt it?
Once again, the problem here is that all other objects become deadly internal projectiles in the case of an accident as well. If we really cared that much about the danger from projectiles (human and otherwise), then by law, cars should come with multiple tie-downs all over the interior of the vehicle, and it should be illegal to have an object in the car over five pounds not firmly secured by them.
The reason, of course, that that isn’t mandated is the same as the answer to all of the other questions in this thread: in the end it’s really just about policing people’s behavior and choices (and securing an additional revenue stream for cops, as well as a handy additional excuse to pull people over and violate their rights).
Idk if its the same where you are or not but cars in my country DO have multiple internal tiedowns throughout the passenger cabin. Theyre called seatbelts and you are supposed to secure any heavy objects using them. Infact, if you as a driver have not secured heavy objects down and one of them kills or injures a passenger, you can get prosecuted for negligence.
Sure, i dont know the exact intention behind the law, and it being a fine does indeed serve as revenue stream for cops, but it does at least in part help prosecute drivers who are putting theie passengers at risk while promoting safe driving habits.
I dunno, I think the paramedics find the sight of you stuck in your seat a whole lot nicer than you stuck in the windshield
We shouldn’t curtail people’s freedom of self determination just because it will make other people have to do their jobs.
My wife works in a hospital and receives patients from car crashes. If driving without a seatbelt was legal she would find another job.
Intact she has worked in a country where no one, even kids are required to wear seatbelts, and she doesn’t want to work like that now
Not everyone’s cut out to work in medical care - it’s a tough field.
Her words, you have to be a psychopath not to be affected by the shit you see in the hospital, and you don’t want to be only treated by psychopaths do you?
While true, this is a dumb take reflecting why rules like this are important.
Just to quote that person from another comment in this thread:
I don’t think I’ve had any real life experience color my view on this
This is what it looks like when people are unable to admit they were wrong.
Death is a fact of life, and the existence of it is not a sufficient justification for curtailing freedom of choice to engage in dangerous behaviors.
Especially when the entire purpose of that curtailment is so that bastard cops have more of an opportunity to attest brown people. Y’all are getting played.
You can just say “I was wrong and made a stupid comment,” you know.
You don’t have to double and triple down on literally everything you say.
Try it sometime. It’s rather nice.
Thanks for the advice - as soon as I’m wrong and make a stupid comment, I’ll be sure to.
Not really sure how that’s relevant to the thread though.
Yeah. Who knows, bud.
Hopefully you become intelligent enough to figure it out someday
I see this topic really affects you, it is clear that real life experiences has colored your view on this, and you deserved to not be harassed. (Good luck with this under this administration)
But the fact remains that seatbeltlaws are in place in many countries, including countries where cops dont harras brown people. So this argument doesn’t hold water. Nixon did infact talk about racial targeting by illegalizing marijuana, not seatbelts
My wife is a hardy woman, who has treated kids in hospices, people with knifes stuck in their brains, women receiving cecarians that didn’t get sedated properly by the anaesthesiologist because their drug use affected how they took the sedation, she regularly treats new amputees, changes bandages of burn victims, washes the asses of elderly, and has to see people where the pavement scraped away half their face. She is 37, and has seen a lot of shit during her career, and what she gets in return is patients that ask why they sent a child in to treat them because she looks like a teenager when she doesn’t wear makeup.
She, and the rest of the tax paying public are very happy that seatbelt laws are strict, I dont want to pay my tax money on the crazy amount of money each road fatality cost (its more than you think), this is both true in countries where you don’t have free health care like yours, as well as the rest of the western world. It’s expensive, both in money, and the toll on the people who will treat you.
If you want to get a little bit of compassion for the people who work in health. Feel free to watch the TV show The Pitt (2025), season one, is set up like every episode is an hour in the shift of the ER. And every 5 minutes my wife says this happened to me, this is realistic, that’s how it actually is, that’s a realistic amount of blood, that happened to a colleague of mine etc
No, they deserve to be harassed.
Thanks for the detailed and empathetic response. I’m going to disagree with you again here, but I don’t bear you any ill will for your opinion, especially in light of your wife’s experiences.
I don’t think I’ve had any real life experience color my view on this, thankfully - I’ve always worn my seatbelt and have never been targeted by cops. My strong reaction to this issue (and I’ve had literally all of the conversations currently happening in these comments over and over for years now, on here and on the other website) is due to just how ridiculous and self-contradictory it is for people to actually support seatbelt laws based on the arguments you’re seeing in these comments.
I’m pretty sure the deeper truth here is that people (or most people at least - I don’t think this is true of you, based on your comments here) actually don’t care about the safety and trauma they always bring up in these comment sections, not really - I think they just take it personally for some reason that someone else has the audacity to make stupid decisions (even though they themselves are also frequently making stupid decisions they don’t notice, and which have their own set of externalities - those stupid decisions are fine, of course), and it makes them feel morally superior to impinge on those individuals’ right to make their own choices freely, especially when they have the easy refuge of flimsy “safety” arguments to retreat to. They’re moral busybodies, and it’s infuriating.
And pointing to nanny state European countries infamous for “protecting” their citizens from the audacity of making their own decisions doesn’t settle the argument. Two countries can do the same thing for very different reasons (and if you think European cops defend the working class and not capital I have a bridge to sell you - each of those countries’ cops have their own socially acceptable groups to harass instead).
I’m also a part of the tax-paying public, and I’m not happy that seatbelt laws are strict. You spend far more of your tax money on the crazy number of people who need early, intensive medical care due to dozens of different kinds of unhealthy life choices. In fact, I’d argue that the one-time costs of car crash deaths stemming from loosening seatbelt laws is far cheaper than the years or decades of intensive, expensive treatment for preventable conditions arising from other knowingly stupid choices, and yet, once again, for some reason it’s stupid choices regarding seatbelts of all things where people come out of the woodwork to be worried about the toll on people and the economy.
Or to act worried so they can feel morally justified (literally) policing the actions of others, at least.
Again, thank you for your comment and your perspective.
You spend far more of your tax money on the crazy number of people who need early, intensive medical care due to dozens of different kinds of unhealthy life choices. In fact, I’d argue that the one-time costs of car crash deaths stemming from loosening seatbelt laws is far cheaper than the years or decades of intensive, expensive treatment for pre…
You argument is literally whataboutism.
No. It also puts the other party’s life (in a crash) in danger.
Nope, it doesn’t.
The chances of that happening are so astronomically low as to be completely irrelevant, and it doesn’t hold a candle to the violation of personal liberty.
Whether or not an unsecured human poses a direct danger to another human in a crash, there are negative externalities to self-harm. One is that family members may be deprived of an important source of income and emotional support if you are killed in a crash. But the most directly-measurable cost is hospital expenses. At first glance medical expenses are another factor that affect only yourself. But in reality in the US emergency room care is guaranteed regardless of ability to pay, so plenty of ER costs are paid by hospitals or by governments. Emergency and non-emergency healthcare costs may be covered by Medicaid or Medicare - in other words, paid for by taxpayers. Maybe you can afford whatever treatment you might need, but policy must take into account people who cannot. That means that a personal choice not to wear a seatbelt, in aggregate, puts measurable costs on people who are not you.
Societal medical costs are discussed most prominently in relation to smoking. A study from last year estimates that healthcare made necessary by smoking costs an average of $2700 per person per year. That’s a major part of the justification to tax cigarette sales. Healthcare costs caused by not wearing a seatbelt aren’t as high, but are still substantial. Here’s a study that found that hospital costs are 84% higher for people injured while not wearing a seatbelt vs wearing a lap & shoulder seatbelt.
Cost savings from seatbelt requirements might be smaller than savings from reduced smoking. But on the other hand the measurable burden of wearing a seatbelt is tiny. Policy should be based on the measurable costs & benefits of its requirements, and seatbelt requirements are a very clear-cut example of a net-benefit analysis.
You made an argument about the violation of personal liberty. When thinking about cost vs benefit there are two ways to look at this:
- Intrinsic value of liberty: I don’t know of a measurement of harm from restricting personal liberty in the specific case of seatbelt use. We have to draw a line somewhere on where personal liberty must be restricted to prevent obvious, unacceptable harm like murders. Considering the data, and the low burden of compliance seatbelt requirements seem to me to be an obvious case where restricting liberty as a worthwhile cost of harm reduction. Until there is some metric that shows that restriction of liberty may be more harmful than cost savings in this case I have to say, that’s like, your opinion man.
- Individuals are the best judges of their specific situation: Policy needs to consider the inevitable outcome of people exercising their right to implement bad judgement. If this were a case where a reasonable analysis could conclude that not wearing a seatbelt in some situations is a good decision then it would be a different story. But it’s not. Data overwhelmingly shows that seatbelt use is the right decision in every case while driving. And data also shows that a high proportion of people make the wrong choice, likely due to a highly-inflated sense of their own invulnerability. Here’s an analysis of how seatbelt requirements influence good judgement in several states.
I don’t want to dismiss personal liberty. I think it is important to be able to make our own decisions. But it’s also important to prevent extraordinarily-problematic decisions in certain cases. With seatbelts (I’m assuming we’re not debating the cost of building seatbelts into cars at the moment) the measurable cost as far as I’m aware is the time taken to put the seatbelt on, which is negligible. Maybe there is a real cost to one’s self of individualism to be required to put that seatbelt on. If the cost is real, there must be some way to measure it. Maybe that could be evaluating happiness, or creativity, or lifetime earnings, or some such thing. If we want to take this factor into account in cost-benefit analyses we have to have a measurement. We can’t apply some arbitrary value because some people are going to say “infinite”, and others are going to say “zero”, and every value in between. Not only are those subjective opinions - those are self-evaluation estimates which humans tend to be bad at. I’m going to speculate that self-evaluations of the importance of liberty in the abstract is one of those areas people tend to get wrong. We need some kind of objective metric.
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??? Astronomically low? Even a crash at 10 to 20 Km/h can turn you into a meat projectile, dumbass
Then it should be suuuper easy to find evidence of a fatality due to a human projectile from a car accident if this is such a huge concern.
I’ll wait. Don’t worry, I’m patient.
Edit: I wonder how many of you are on the case now. Good luck! I’d hate for all of your pearl clutching to be for naught!
Edit 2: Almost an hour in! Man, it’s really starting to look like this is actually just a non-issue, and an excuse to (literally) police other people’s behavior and choices that you don’t like!
Edit 3: Six hours later, and still looking like a non-issue!
Edit 4: it’s been fifteen hours - I think I’m going to call it here. The “human missile” myth clearly has no basis in fact, and is no reason to mandate seatbelt use.
I bet you weigh more than a laptop. Even if I wasn’t killed by you, if I was hurt more because of you I would be pissed.
Sounds like we should mandate strapping down all objects in the car then, right? Since you’re arguing we mandate that for people?
By law, cars should come with multiple tie-downs all over the interior of the vehicle, and it should be illegal to have an object in the car over five pounds not secured by them. Right? Because you’re so concerned about this one case you were able to find that wasn’t even a person?
I must say, this is a very stupid hill to die on.
Jesus, you’re a fucking moron.
Google it meathead Being ejected from a car in a crash significantly increases the risk of fatal injuries, with statistics indicating that around 81% of people ejected from vehicles in accidents are killed, according to Carpey Law. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reports that occupants ejected from a vehicle are three times more likely to suffer fatal injuries compared to those who remain restrained, according to Newsome Melton. Seat belts are the most effective safety equipment in preventing vehicle ejections.
You’ve completely misunderstood the argument.
People should be allowed to do things that are dangerous.
The people in this thread are arguing that becoming a human projectile is dangerous to other people, and I’m asking them to provide evidence of this.
I’m not going to gore websites for your pleasure, but liveleaks used to be a gold mine for you apparently
This is a proven fact. If you want to ve a complete moron, then you’re no better than a flat earther or an antivaxxer, in which case fuck you and I’m not going to waste my time on you
So… still no evidence whatsoever for that “proven fact”, then, eh?
The difference is that flat earthers are presented with evidence that they’re ignoring, but nobody has presented any evidence in this thread for me to ignore, even though this is supposedly such a huge problem.
If you are a passenger sitting behind someone and you don’t use your seatbelt you crush the person in front of you in case of a frontal colision, and if you are sitting next to someone and get hit from the side you can break both your skulls on each other
Ah, there’s the “what about the other passengers in the car” argument I’ve been waiting for.
The problem is that all other objects become deadly internal projectiles in the case of an accident as well. If we really cared that much about the danger from projectiles (human and otherwise), then by law, cars should come with multiple tie-downs all over the interior of the vehicle, and it should be illegal to have an object in the car over five pounds not firmly secured by them.
The reason, of course, that that isn’t mandated is the same as the answer to all of the other questions in this thread: in the end it’s really just about policing people’s behavior and choices (and securing an additional revenue stream for cops, as well as a handy excuse to pull people over).
Not everything can become a deadly projectile lmao, that’s not how basic physics works, a 60+Kg person does become a deadly projectile at a certain speed
That’s a laptop, it can have sharp, hard edges and can be quite heavy, you can literally die from falling over on the street, it also doesn’t prove that “everything” can become a deadly projectile
personal liberty includes children’s right to have a parent alive and well for as long as possible even if they’re too stupid to take measures against risk of an accident.
all laws are limits on personal liberty. that alone isn’t a good argument against any law.
also if you’re gonna say the risk of something is astronomically low you have to back it up. and even then it’s not a good argument.
Infantilize adults for the sake of the children, got it.
Probably the worst take I’ve seen in this thread, and that’s saying something.
why, did you not see yours?
what do you even mean by infantilize? if you’re not doing the most basic, demonstrably beneficial way to save more lives including yours and others, forcing you to do it is not infantilizing an adult, it’s appropriately forcing someone who can’t be an adult to act like one.
but this is just to meet you at your inane level. in reality this kind of law is very effective at making more mindful of their safety, even if idiots among them do it begrudgingly. if not for laws like this pretty much no one would fasten their seatbelt or wear a helmet on a bike, not because they’re irresponsible but because it wouldn’t occur to them or they wouldn’t realize the importance and severity of such measures.
People have a right to make stupid decisions, even ones that would be dangerous to themselves.
We know this is the case because fast food isn’t illegal - it’s just that people (in this thread) are too stupid to see the contradictions in their own logic. Seatbelts are just a really oddly specific example of people choosing to police other people’s stupid decisions, for some reason.
it’s appropriately forcing someone who can’t be an adult to act like one.
I don’t think I could have worded this in a more infantilizing manner if I tried, so thanks for proving my point I guess?
in reality this kind of law is very effective at making more mindful of their safety, even if idiots among them do it begrudgingly.
There are other ways to incentivize this behavior that doesn’t involve becoming an infantilizing nanny state. Significantly higher insurance premiums for people who choose not to buckle up, for example.
Cigarettes are another great example - they’re not illegal, but the government gives people financial incentives not to use them in the form of sin taxes.
There are many ways to disincentivize stupid behavior while still respecting the right of people to make those stupid choices.
cigarettes should absolutely be illegal, as they infringe on other people’s rights.
fast food is a ridiculous comparison. by the same logic shooting people should be legal because coughing in public isn’t illegal, since both are “unhealthy” for people around you.
and again, accidents aren’t personal. they involve others.
Since you don’t care about human life, maybe money matters more to you: Seatbelts decrease auto insurance costs.
I absolutely care about human life, and it’s sad and senseless when people kill themselves with stupid choices.
I just respect their humanity enough to not impose my will on theirs, when their decisions don’t cause significant enough externalities for the people around them to justify treating them as less human than I see myself.
Seatbelts decrease auto insurance costs.
And legal penalties for high BMI decreases health insurance costs, which are much, much higher than car insurance costs (as well as preventing far more needless deaths, since you’re such a humanitarian).
Why is freedom of choice valid in the more egregious cost scenario but not less egregious one?
Shitty whataboutism
This is like the 3rd or 4th dumb take I’ve seen come out of lemm.ee users within the past few hours.
Yall must be migrating from the highly intellectual youtube community section.
At least the other people complaining and downvoting here are bringing actual arguments to the table and engaging in productive dialogue.
What a useless comment.
Clearly from a country without socialized healthcare…
Yes, because that’s the dangerous activity that causes the most additional load.
What’s the average BMI in your country with socialized healthcare? What are your criteria for which dangerous activities we should and should not be allowed to engage in due to additional load on the medical system?
I agree. It is VERY stupid to not wear one, but seatbelt laws in the US were a test of control, not safety.
Seatbelts are a constitutional violation on personal freedom. Argue all you want, but they are.
which part of the constitution was the seatbelt law supposed to be violating again?
See, this is what happens when they stop teaching civics in school. Article VIII § 2, “in the event that some means of transportation referred to as an automobile is invented, Congress shall enact no laws that infringe on the inalienable right of all men to launch themselves through the windshield of said automobiles.”
At least read the constitution if you’re gonna make claims like this
thats my bad. good catch.
If you think about it, all regulations stemming from the DoT are.
They’re infringing on my right to drive with no head or taillights.
They’re infringing on my right to ignore traffic signs.
They’re infringing on my right to drive on the left side of the road.
They’re infringing on my right to drive a monster truck on the highway.
In a truly free country, I could drive my truck with 66" tires down the so-called “wrong” side of the road in the dead of night with no lights whatsoever. Sure, I might injure or kill someone, but I also might not, and stopping me from doing so is clearly stopping me from my pursuit of happiness.
Tail lights and the like are required for the safety of others. Seatbelts are basically the government being your mom and making you wear a winter coat because she worries.
The same goes for regulations requiring air bags, crumple zones, tempered glass windows, and other safety features designed to protect the occupants of a vehicle. If seatbelts are government overreach, then so are these. It’s my God-given right to die as violently as possible in an easily-preventable accident.
Those are regulations upon the automobile industry.
They can make seatbelt installation mandatory, but forcing people to wear them is a violation of personal freedom.
It is what it is. Motorcycle helmets are exactly the same. Your state may require them, my state has declared helmet laws unconstitutional. This is from New Hampshire, the only state where seat belts are not required:
[New Hampshire has] "a strong emphasis on individual liberty and a reluctance to infringe on personal freedoms, rooted in their state motto, “Live Free or Die”. Many residents and lawmakers believe the government should not dictate personal choices, such as whether or not to wear a seat belt. "
I’m not the person you responded to here, but the difference is that all of those things are very likely to cause negative externalities to other people, while, as I’ve pretty definitively shown in this thread, that’s not at all the case with the negative outcomes of not wearing seatbelts, which are almost entirely limited to the person making the decision.
The United States has some very rural areas where you can be the only vehicle on the road for miles. “Stupid” driving is safer for other people there than “smart” driving is in more populated areas.
But if you’re not in favor of totally deregulating public roads in areas like that, then let’s look at just the light situation.
Having a light out is much easier to notice than whether or not someone is wearing a seatbelt, and is also used by law enforcement to pull people over, meet quotas, etc.
If I don’t have headlights, but your taillights work, I can still see your vehicle in front of me and avoid a collision. Likewise, if I don’t have taillights, but your headlights work, either you should see my vehicle in front of you and avoid a collision, or you shouldn’t be driving at all if you can’t tell you’re getting closer to my vehicle.
In both situations, the lights on your car are sufficient to keep you safe if I choose to be “stupid” and drive without lights.
I mean, then so is not allowing people to randomly test nukes on their own property.
As is every law against suicide or selling clearly harmful chemicals.
The penalty is a ticket, and rarely enforced, get over your shit.
You confused personal choice with putting others in danger.
I don’t care if another adult is not wearing a seatbelt … it’s not my business. If someone is building a dangerous explosive weapon then it does concern me and that is where regulations kick in.
Personal Freedom. The key word is “personal”. You may like having the government be your mother, but some of us don’t fucking trust the government at this point.
I trusted the government far more than i trusted a lot of the inbred redneck neighbors I had.
When your neighbors have played Pokémon to collect all the recessive genes regarding cognition, it’s good to have the government to protect you from their stupidity.
Dunno … seems like you just won my argument against seatbelts being required right there. Thin the gene pool.
We have rat poison, cockroach traps, everything.
Vermin outbreed all attempts to stop them, that’s their evolutionary strategy.
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I know this is the onion but I’m honestly glad for companies like Subaru building in a way to disable the seatbelt chime. When I’m slow rolling a rocky dirt road at 10mph with no one else on it, I feel dumb wearing a seatbelt. Or having the windows up for that matter.
Praise be to Subaru for saving you from such a cruel fate. No one should have to feel dumb wearing a seatbelt!
Coincidentally, anyone feeling dumb for wearing a seatbelt most probably IS dumb (but not for wearing a seatbelt).
How are you so insecure that a seatbelt makes you feel dumb?
It’s not about being insecure. I’m just old enough to remember riding in old trucks and cars that didn’t even have seatbelts. They make sense for most situations and I wear my seatbelt, but there are sometimes situations where it just feels like unnecessary compliance.
Like sitting at a red light at 2am with no one around for miles
