• Littux@lemmy.world
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      I went from GNOME on Ubuntu, to KDE on Manjaro, to XFCE on Manjaro, and finally i3 on Arch.

      GNOME was sluggish and not customisable.
      KDE had graphical glitches everywhere that made navigating interfaces annoying sometimes

      On XFCE, I actually didn’t find that many issues. I just stopped using Manjaro and switched to i3 when doing so.

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        i also tried i3 at some point, it was pretty cool, but i prefer more “standard”/“no tweaking” approach, so xfce wins on that one. i did install KDE ob my second (framework) laptop, but i kinda hate it lol. Never tried “Gnome”

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    Eh, Gnome is fine. I like KDE, but I’d rather use my PC for the stuff I want to use it for rather than obsessively change some stuff so it looks better only to change it the next time I boot it again.

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      I also rsther use my pc for the stuff I want to use it for, with Plasma you dont need to theme and rice it for the sake of it, you can just use it as is, which is what i do, and i find Plasma to be more usable out of the box than Gnome I hate when people think you must theme Plasma and customize it, you can use it as is

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        You can, but for me there’s just too much to fiddle, and I can’t help tinkering with stuff.

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    as someone who’s done gtk and qt development, what the fuck are you talking about?

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      That these DEs are a bloat in modern Linux computers?

      GTK is fine by me. Qt on the other hand, is BIG. And now with Qt6 out, and some older apps aren’t migrated to it yet, I have both Qt5 AND Qt6 installed on my computer. It’s a shitshow.

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      Oh that’s awesome! Did you use gObject I think it’s called? I’ve always been fascinated with the idea of object oriented C programming, but I’m not a developer and I never really got into it.

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        gObject

        yah, tbh i kinda hated it at first but that was before I had to work on a cpp project.

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    Nah both Gnome and KDE are incredible and I say that as someone whos been using Linux since early 00s

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      I use Cinnamon but Gnome would be my second choice. I want to like Plasma, but every time I’ve used it there’s some glaring bug. Last I checked (few months back) font scaling caused fonts to look like absolute garbage. I found the bug online, tried all the “fixes”, no bueno.

      I’m not going without scaling on a 14" 1080p screen.

      Cinnamon and Gnome on the other hand: accessibility > large text. Easy. (Higher scaling factors can be found in font settings if needed).

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        Same. I really wanted to like Plasma, it’s really nice looking. But it just never works right for me. Most recently, my PC would crash every time I woke it from sleep. And my cursor wouldn’t stay locked to one screen in-game. No issues at all with Cinnamon. Everything just worked out of the box. And there are plenty of themes and icons to dress it up a bit. I used Gnome 2 back in high school, so if I didn’t use Cinnamon I think I’d probably go with MATE since it’s a familiar feel.

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    I’ve tried KDE on both Debian and Fedora. Neither have allowed me to do what I want to do: add a secondary storage device to my steam library. Whenever I try to, it just pops up a separate Dolphin window that doesn’t affect steam once a folder is selected (almost like it’s a separate process and not a child process of Steam).

    The flatpak works, but 1. Ew; 2. It runs steam on Xwayland; 3. Being a debian nerd, I want to be as much of a <default package manager> purist as possible to make life easier down the road

    I’ll switch once this is fixed, but I just gotta stick with Gnome until it is

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      add a secondary storage device to my steam library.

      You mean have more than one steam library? That’s a steam setting. Nothing to do with KDE. Gnome, Debian or Fedora.

      The flatpak works,

      Oh. There’s your issue. Don’t run steam as a flatpak, there might be sandboxing issues.

      EDIT: MF did you read the page you downloaded stuff from:

      Note: To add a game library on another drive, first you need to grant the app access to it:

      flatpak override --user --filesystem=/path/to/your/Steam/Library com.valvesoftware.Steam

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      I have like five libraries, I went ahead and just tried to add another one to see if it was a regression and unfortunately I can’t reproduce. Then again I’ve always been a KDE Arch user I don’t know if that has anything to do with it maybe I just missed this bug

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        I have the issue with debian also witj KDE, but I havent tried with Gnome, i did some searching and it seems to be a common issue among debian based distros

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      I mean can you really blame people? The developers have kind of gone out of their way to try and piss off literally everyone. And any attempt at criticism is called bullying and shut down

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      GNOME has been going downhill since version 3. I used to be a diehard GNOME fan, but nowadays KDE is simply better in so many ways.

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        Agree. I used to love GNOME, but after GNOME 3.0 everything went to the shitter.

        I simply migrated to KDE and I just like it.

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    I agree with the general sentiment, though KDE’s apps do have some real performance issues.

    Dolphin sometimes takes 2-5 seconds to open on my gaming PC, whereas Nautilus (Gnome Files) is usually done before I’ve even let go of the click.

    Maybe that’s just preloading, but it makes a bloody enormous difference in everyday usage.

    I prefer Plasma overall, though.

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      Do you have a lot of files it might try to preview? I remember encountering similar loading times in my photos folder because it ties to load previews for every file.

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      Dolphin sometimes takes 2-5 seconds to open on my gaming PC, whereas Nautilus (Gnome Files) is usually done before I’ve even let go of the click.

      You might need to look into this more.

      It opens instantly on my gaming desktop, Microsoft Surface 7 Pro, and ASUS ROG Strix

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      Hmm, Dolphin takes about 0.5 seconds on my laptop. Might be that worth debugging on your system, even if it is some bug that your specific system triggers.

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      Dolphin is the worst file manager, mostly because of how it doesn’t give you a file copy window but also because it’s just a shittier version of Nemo. Nemo is superior except that most of the time you can’t drag and drop files from a zip folder window into Nemo but only if you’re using KDE. Cinnamon is pretty much the only other DE I can stand and Nemo lets you drag and from from zip files all the time on Cinnamon but it’s otherwise worse than KDE.

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    obligatory LXDE is actually also really good but you know what would make it 10000000000000000000000000000 times better? If there was a Windows 7-esque search bar on the start menu so you could search instead of painstakingly browse through all the stupid icons like its Windows 95.

    I always post a comment like this in discussions about desktop environments in the off chance someone found a way to mod a search into LXDE’s start menu.

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    I just realized that this desktop environment debate has slowed down a lot these last few years. I reckon it’s about time we heat it back up. I’ll get the popcorn!

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      Honestly as a newvomer to linux using both, they’re both fine. Both have their annoyances and stupidity but both are better than windows.

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        I know the hyprland Dev had some stuff to say that caused a mild shit storm. Nothing lasting though.

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          Are they still people giving a thing about that guys opinion? Hey is hating everything and evwrybody by no good reasons but pure gas lighting hatred

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    I’ve found GNOME a pleasure to use. From my experience many folks that use Linux like to tinker with their computers. Even those new to Linux see a world of possibilities. GNOME doesn’t really embrace this tinkerer philosophy. They have an opinion on what at desktop manager should be and they’re constantly working towards that vision.

    When I introduce GNOME to new people I explain to them some the project goals, design elements and how it’s intended to be used. Then I tell them that GNOME is opinionated on how things should behave and look, and if you try to force GNOME to be something it’s not you’ll probably end up using poorly documented or unsupported third-party extensions that break things. Generally the advice is, GNOME is great, but not for everyone, take the time to learn the GNOME way of doing things and if you don’t like it you’re better off switching to another desktop environment than trying to change GNOME.

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      If it’s not for everyone it should not be the default for many distributions, and other DEs should be recommended for beginners then.
      I think the design philosophy of “you have to adapt to the software” is harmful. Software should adapt to you and disappear out of your way for common tasks. Something Gnome leadership fails to understand.

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        I’ve been teaching Linux to a lot of high-school age kids this year. I picked Fedora Workstation for us to experiment with. It of course, uses GNOME. Like I mentioned in the above post I talked to them for 5-10 minutes about GNOME design and how it’s supposed to be used. One thing that surprised me is how much the younger generation found GNOME intuitive as soon as they learned to use the Super key. Many have spent more time on iOS than they have Windows. So some of the common pain points for us older folks, like not having a task bar, preferring each “App” to be full a screen and switching between them felt very natural for the kids. Very iOS like.

        You can of course have your different opinion on if this is good or bad or if GNOME shouldn’t be the default on most distro.

        Perhaps GNOME is a good default for distro because it’s similar to the interfaces young people are growing up with.

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      I hate Gnome because it doesn’t give you taskbar boxes to show all the open windows. There is a extension for this but it’s almost always out of date. How the fuck is anyone expected to get any work done like that? Pressing the “windows” key to show that tile view is a thing but I want to see what all is open without pressing a button first. It’s fine for watching youtube or playing games. And the ui looks really cool if you’re high off your ass, but that’s it.

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      Gnome extensions are nice since they can do lots of useful things. They can cause issues but if you need extensions to use gnome you probably should move to something like Cinnamon.

      If you can get used to the workflow it is very nice.

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      I ran gnome for about a decade. I really didn’t like how a lot of bits and pieces of it worked so I went and found all of the plugins and religiously installed and updated them. Updates what happened, crab would break, I’d just have to deal.

      At some point I tried KDE. And it literally did everything that I was doing to gnome through plugins out of the box.

      I’m all about configurability but I’m also a pretty big fan of not having to fuck with it because it already does what I want out of the box.

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      I have no problem with using Gnome. It stays out of my way and Things Just Work for the most part as 99% of what I do is in a browser or a terminal anyway.

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      You know that sounds an awful lot like how windows GUI behaves. I only recently started daily driving and the amount of gui elements you can change is mind blowing.

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        Windows 11 copied some KDE and Gnome features but they did a half ass job so the desktop is just broken.

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      I like gome but it needs extensions for basic runctionality and you need to use terminal for basic functionality. I have it visually basically unmodified, no dock to dash or desktop but damn i need to go extra mile to add right click new file and functional window tiling.

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          I like gnome but i will be replacing it with kde. But mostly cause gnome breaks ftp and vscode for some reason, not for the painful setup of gnome

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    As a Gentoo user, I can say that qtbase is probably the one piece of software that caused me the most failed emerges due to some conflict of python packages.