I take it someone has already pointed out that excluded was the word wanted?
Run a second correlation on the incomes of these families and the tech literacy of their children and see what you find. I have a hypothesis.
my favorite pornotrope is how people still swear by the belief that apple computers suffer no “malware”, because why are androids apparently so promiscuous like any black person wants to spoof torvalds’ github username
do androids sleep with promiscuous scapegoats?
dafuq did i just read?
academic discussion about sexuality with no context
The thing with Macs is you don’t have to spend 80% of your time troubleshooting them. I love my Mac and OS X. I boot it up, log in, and don’t have to think about it. The UI is very intuitive and easy to use as well.
Listen I love the battery life on my m1 but it’s the first mac I’ve owned and “intuitive” is not the description I’d use for the ui. Is terminal and homebrew familiar sure, and for most things it does work. But then there are the real oddities in the ui. Like why does finder not show me my full file system by default? Why do I drag and drop when installing a new app, thats fucking stupid. Why are files in folders just placed where ever with no order? There should be a grid pattern that works by default so it doesn’t become so disorganized. Why does clicking into folders just add a divider in finder instead of actually opening the folder so that after a couple nested folders you can barely make out file names. If you have lived with that madness for all your life maybe it’s “intuitive” because you have gotten used to it but linux and windows are just miles ahead in ui intuitiveness when it comes to basic functionality like this.
I’ve used both since 2001. Windows default search is worse, dragging and dropping to your chosen install location seems to make just as much sense as choosing it in a pop up window, grid and sort by are both right click dialog options. I thought the argument against Mac software was a lack of options so now I’m going to ask why Windows doesn’t let you organize folders by vibes
I don’t have to troubleshoot my kid’s Speak and Spell either.
Every year I believe this more and more. I’ve always been lumped in with the tech crowd by anyone not tech-savvy, but in reality all my knowledge is from personal troubleshooting and very limited (I’m think of trying Linux and gonna be like a whole ass event for me). I used to think that was dumb, but then I started working with more Gen Z…
They have zero idea how to troubleshoot anything. If the computer doesn’t do what they expect, it’s a full stop for some of them. I have “solved” so many it problems by replugging a cable or just knowing the settings option exists. These aren’t stupid kids either, their in a tough industry and very capable otherwise. I think my generation was right place, right time to learn this stuff organically because shit just never worked quite right – apple was largely the outlier back then.
If you even know what an OS is you’re ahead of 70% of the population. Probably more.
Them’s fightin’ words 'round these parts, buster.
(… i agree)
I have an external Samsung SSD that my mac mini just refuses to keep indexed.
The solution to this is when I log in every day I have to go into the Mac system settings and tell finder to ignore my external drive, close system setting, then reopen systen setting and tell finder to no longer ignore the external drive. This is the only way to get it to reindex everything.
I need to do this everytime the mac mini wakes from sleep.
I’m curious what her hypothesis is, I don’t think there is a correlation at all personally, seen a ton of people who know nothing about their computers regardless of Mac/Windows as their primary os.
Should’ve written “Mac PCs” just to mess with people.
When Apple moved to Intel CPU’s there was the creation of the Hackintosh. Which was running apple’s OS on any PC hardware you had around that happened to be compatible. If you thought finding Linux compatible hardware was rough…that was worse.
I grew up on Mac and only switched to Windows when I was 30. lol
I still wonder what Linux is like… It’s probably cool.
Well, the time to find out is now :)
Oh shit, same here! Were you surprised to learn how much basic stuff you didn’t know?
To be honest, not really. But I guess I got acclimated to Windows through the computers at my schools, so maybe that’s why.
I will admit, the environment feels more ‘open’ even if utilizing that openness is convoluted or requires more technical skills.
I think the main draw for me was the hardware and the ability to ‘easily’ replace it. Can’t do that on an iMac lol
True, haha. Yeah I thought I was pretty computer savvy, then I got my first Windows machine a couple years ago, and boy was I wrong!
I still use a mac for work, but now I get frustrated with all the loopholes that comes with.
If you’ve had to mess around with EMM386 and HIMEM settings to play Wing Commander 2, you win.
Autoexec.bat’s and boot disks for everything ftw.
Does messing around to play Red Alert at 640 x 480 (instead of the default 320 x 240) qualify? I emphasize that I modded the thing to have ICBM carrying submarines for more realism, and played global thermonuclear war with my university course mate over an RS-232 cable. :P
(We could not afford Ethernet, or maybe couldn’t understand it, since it was such a new thing. I recall seeing shiny Ethernet cards from 3COM with some envy.)
My first experience with Linux was at 10 years old or so. I had a netbook that I’d installed Ubuntu on.
Flash forward nearly 14 years and I use Arch as pretty much a daily driver these days.
I feel old. Linux didn’t exist when I was 10 years old, Linus was still in high school at that point. My home computer was a TRS-80 CoCo 2.
TRS!
Yeah, I’m only turning 24 this October, so that’s much before my time. I’ve always found something charming about machines from that era. My grandfather has an Amiga 500 that he got back in the day that still works. Sometimes him and I play around on it just for fun.
I just want to point out that I was somewhat tech literate in the 2000s. and The Mac OS still scared me.
Omg, this is the best early-morning laugh that I’ve had in a long time. Mac-nerd, here. From childhood. Also a Linux nerd for servers. This is so great that I immediately sent it to friends in tech. I’m still laughing like a nut.
Is the hypothesis that Windows being constantly broken forces you to learn how to fix it ? Because that’s kinda what happened to me 😆
Same. Got tricked into deleting System32 at age…7 maybe? Started learning a lot from that point on.
I learned because I was torrenting and broke the family windows computer. It was either fix it or get grounded.
I switched to Linux after my experience with Windows Millennium Edition. Many people have since referred to me as some sort of programming genius and hacker…I don’t know crap about any of that. I’ve simply followed instructions and referred to the help communities, whenever I’ve had trouble. Using the mainstream distributions (I’m guessing) has kept me from having much trouble.
I think my kids may benefit, as my wife only uses Mac, I have 2 Ubuntus and a Mint, and the kids use Chromebooks at school. We have 2 iPad and a Galaxy tab in the house. 1 kid has an Android phone and the other an iPhone. My wife and I both have flagship Android phones.
Sometimes it’s fun to watch them debate over which systems they prefer, depending on the school projects they work on.
Mixed messages here: “I’ve simply followed instructions and referred to the help communities, whenever I’ve had trouble.” Fellow human, those are the actions of a programming genius and hacker. The bar is remarkably low. A lot of people can’t even read what it says on the screen.
Peoples’ definition on programming is unclear.
I watched two people argue if Dennis Ritchie or Mark Zuckerberg is better at programming in comments on a youtube video about C.
And they are relatively tech-savy if they watch those videos.
Looking at the comments, it occurs to me that we’re not a representative section of the online community.
Were literally people who went out of their way to not use a conventional/commercial tech product.
I wonder what the % of people on here is who have built a pc, used a raspberry pi or installed Linux compared to the outside world.
it occurs to me that we’re not a representative section of the online community
This! I have been preaching this for years, both online and IRL with the IT techs I manage. Tech nerds (myself included) forget just how little the normal person even cares about computers, let alone how they work.
The vast majority of people just want to buy a computer in a box, and have it work mostly perfectly. Which windows and Mac’s do really really well. And yes, windows isnt perfect but neither is Linux. And for 95% of people the most demanding and complicated thing they’ll do is web browsing, and power users might do something wild like play games through steam or install an alternate browser.
And we havent even touched work computers yet, which is a whole other level of “I don’t care at all” from end users.
Remember people “Linux is amazing!” is meaningless to people who have never heard the acronym SSD let alone what it is or why it’s better than a HDD.
I like to compare it to sewing because I genuinely don’t care at all about it. But I hear people say “just thrift clothes and tailor them to you!” But that ignores two things.
- I genuinely can’t think of a whole lot of other leisure activities I’d want to do less than sewing and tailoring.
- I barely know how to sew a button or mend a rip. Do you think I know how to actually tailor something? Or what types of tools I need? Or how to use them?
Tech nerds (myself included) forget just how little the normal person even cares about computers, let alone how they work.
God I love this comic. I’ve used it hundreds of times since he’s posted it.
I also bet the % is very high.
I wouldn’t even consider myself especially techy compared to Lemmy, but I’ve done all of those things.
+1 though I feel like I’m more average when it comes techiness (if anyone feels very techy and qualified to host a survey, I’d be interested in average tech experiences here.)
Considering linux, self hosting and open source gets mentioned in every community here… I’d say it’s a significant amount
A big reason I use Lemmy is because I like all the FOSS discussion lmao.
Yeah I totally don’t mind either, feels like I can say whatever I feel like here and people will understand what I’m saying
I would bet the number is extremely high. I’ve done all these things.
Hah, the joke’s one you: some of us are too cheap for using a Raspberry Pi and instead use chinese Pi clones!
Who doesn’t? Is it even possible to get the proper ones shipped most times?
Beaglebone checking in! Although I have splurged for a hardware packet sniffer.
